We've been utterly LIED to about Layering

[Toka-thrall]

There are alternatives to soloing the first quests and one of the best is grouping with people and go kill mobs lvl 5-6 outside the starting zone

I actually tried this in the stress test, I didn’t like it. While the level 5 mob will absolutely kill you alone, I was a priest so we were able to kill them. The problem was there was 5 of us and each kill got me 20 exp.

We would have done better to camp a spawn point each for the quests

[Vøøðøø-blackrock (Vøøðøø)]

You can say one thing and mean another. Look at all of the mega casuals who play retail that say they want all of these QoL changes to the game but don’t even actually do the content that they want the QoL for.

True, Ion even said that even though they know that sharding is antithetic to a cohesive world (ie; VANILLA WOW) but they were going to use it anyways, just like layering.

[Celessi-turalyon]

Oh, so you weren’t there to see the experience of every single spawn being camped, by groups of 5

That was my experience in the first stress test, and it was wonderful. My group joked around, got to know each other. Added each other as friends. See, those downtimes have value. I know you don’t understand that, and the devs certainly don’t. But that’s when you get to know people, socialize, make friends. Something severely lacking from the Current WoW. And something that Layering will inhibit in Classic.

It’s a way different story when you’re paying $15/month for a glorified chat room.

If your so brain dead you spent two hours tunnel vision an optional quest in a starter zone you deserve all the pain and frustration you got.

Most normal people realized this game is somewhat of a sandbox nature and made hunting parties to find quieter areas to hunt monsters for exp to get ahead of the pack.

I have no sympathy for the idiots that just blindly follow quest helper arrow to the same high traffic area it’s sending everyone else, if your to stupid to use your brain to find a better spot that’s on you.

You understand a level 1 is going to die to that level 5. This isn’t a pserver, you’re going to die just as bad as you did in vanilla if you try that. A 5 man group going out of the starting zone to grind mobs isn’t going to work very well.

[Vøøðøø-blackrock (Vøøðøø)]

And how do you like your world tree? Crispy? PERFECT!

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

I actually tried this in the stress test, I didn’t like it. While the level 5 mob will absolutely kill you alone, I was a priest so we were able to kill them. The problem was there was 5 of us and each kill got me 20 exp.

Next time, go exploring and don’t stop running. That way you’ll have higher level before facing those higher mobs.

[Vøøðøø-blackrock (Vøøðøø)]

I actually tried this in the stress test, I didn’t like it. While the level 5 mob will absolutely kill you alone, I was a priest so we were able to kill them. The problem was there was 5 of us and each kill got me 20 exp.

Next time, go exploring and don’t stop running. That way you’ll have higher level before facing those higher mobs.

Don’t tell him that, he’ll run right of the edge of god’s green flat earth.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

he’ll run right of the edge of god’s green flat earth.

… ICE WALL! Duh.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

with the players Blizzard is trying to capture.

The players Blizzard is trying to capture don’t want layering. They want vanilla.

Don’t care about retail tourists, but people returning for Classic are going to walk away again if they pay… and cannot actually play the game.

They’ll walk away if they have to pay for something that isn’t what they want, too.

Thankfully, the promise of it being removed eventually has assuaged the concerns of many, including myself. I am reluctant to trust that Blizzard will actually remove it, and I don’t think it should be there in the first place, but I’m not willing to wait a couple months to start playing when that would put me so far behind.

Simple, a post/thread about not having layering can be articulate and well presented.

The way you phrased your statement seemed to imply that an anti-layering thread is inherently spam.

Based on your post history, that seems the most likely.

Ques will cause player retention issues.

Queues won’t be around forever. The initial launch will have the highest quantity of players trying to log in at a single time. After a day or two, those players spread out, and the queues are greatly diminished.

It’s a self-righting problem. If queues are causing player retention issues, the queues will subside, and then the problems for player retention they cause go away with them. If they don’t subside, then they clearly weren’t causing player retention issues in the first place.

Too many servers will bring out the dead server issue too soon.

No layering doesn’t mean adding more realms.

Dynamic spawns alter the microeconomics and would need constant management. If people thing layer causes economy issues, dynamic spawns is magnitudes more.

No layering doesn’t mean dynamic spawns.

But you want to roll out just as vanilla did as if Classic will grow the same way.

I don’t care about it growing the same way. I care about providing the game as it was in vanilla.

Classic doesn’t need to grow an audience. The audience for it was always there, waiting for the game they love to be provided once again.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

The players Blizzard is trying to capture don’t want layering. They want vanilla.

No, the players Blizzard is trying to capture want to play. You are already captured. No effort necessary.

I’m not willing to wait a couple months to start playing when that would put me so far behind.

Sensible. I’m glad you chose to take the route, and I’ll hand you a spare pitchfork if Layering is still active in December.

[Vøøðøø-blackrock (Vøøðøø)]

The players Blizzard is trying to capture don’t want layering. They want vanilla.

No, the players Blizzard is trying to capture want to play. You are already captured. No effort necessary.

I’m not willing to wait a couple months to start playing when that would put me so far behind.

Sensible. I’m glad you chose to take the route, and I’ll hand you a spare pitchfork if Layering is still active in December.

After all this, if layering is still active in december, you should delete all your guys and uninstall, for being so wrong.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

After all this, if layering is still active in december, you should delete all your guys and uninstall, for being so wrong.

Why? We can just get out the pitchforks and protest like we’re in a layering thread from July…

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

No, the players Blizzard is trying to capture want to play. You are already captured. No effort necessary.

Effort is necessary, actually. Otherwise, I just go to a private server that already provides what I want. They have to put in the effort to actually recreate vanilla with Classic to get me back.

If I and other vanilla players like me were already captured, we’d be paying our subscriptions and happily wasting our lives away on 8.2, and they wouldn’t need Classic in the first place.

I’m glad you chose to take the route, and I’ll hand you a spare pitchfork if Layering is still active in December.

Yeah, you said the same thing if sharding would be implemented in the entire world, yet here you are.

You’ll lap up whatever Blizzard gives you.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Yeah, you said the same thing if sharding would be implemented in the entire world, yet here you are.

Sharding isn’t implemented throughout the world. The layer structure resolved most of the issue with that.

[Vøøðøø-blackrock (Vøøðøø)]

After all this, if layering is still active in december, you should delete all your guys and uninstall, for being so wrong.

Why? We can just get out the pitchforks and protest like we’re in a layering thread from July…

Only acceptable if you go to blizz HQ and do it in cosplay.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

Sharding isn’t implemented throughout the world. The layer structure resolved most of the issue with that.

Beta demonstrates otherwise. You and other pro-layering/sharding folks ignore that reality quite often.

It’ll be fixed by launch, I’m sure. Not like I’ve heard that one before or anything.

[Bricklethumb-anvilmar]

Man!! I want to go to Irvine!!!

And then Disneyland!!

Only to visit though, because SoCal. . yuck. . Sorry socal people.

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

Sorry socal people.

Even SoCal people hate SoCal.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Beta demonstrates otherwise.

The majority of those issues have been fixed, and they were improving the exploit control as of the end of beta.

[Celessi-turalyon]

Beta demonstrates otherwise.

The majority of those issues have been fixed, and they were improving the exploit control as of the end of beta.

But this is the WoW community. The group of people who confuse beta with early access.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Even SoCal people hate SoCal.

I aim in SoCal, but I am not of SoCal. But they really don’t. They’re too absorbed to think of anything outside of SoCal