WET Community Lounge #Eternity

Myorga-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 7:11pm

Clearly the real one doesn’t have the wires poking out of her head like a battered robot.

Brandbombe-hyjal · November 16, 2018, 7:12pm

Don’t worry about it too much. She’s got her own business to look after. Although, we have talked about filling in for each other during vacations.

If that one shows up looking like that, get her to an exceptional engineer at once!

Myorga-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 7:25pm

Got any recommendations? I have a little flying machine that requires an engineer to fly and so I can’t use it any longer.

Demontune-illidan · November 16, 2018, 7:35pm

Highly recommend the mighty and majestic sky golem. It runs like a todler with a full diaper but flies like a patriotic burb

Brandbombe-hyjal · November 16, 2018, 7:37pm

That sounds like a licensing problem, not mechanical. Gyrocoptor licensing goes hand in hand with a aeronautics engineering certificate due to the complexity of the craft yet its basic controls. You really have to have a clear understanding of both. Later mechanical air craft have an number of features that simplify operation so just about any wing nut can fly them.

Myorga-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 7:41pm

I wish I could afford that. Maybe if I didn’t spend all my gold on the glorious alliance treadblade I would actually have some cash to spend on flying machines.

Demontune-illidan · November 16, 2018, 7:42pm

A well spent purchase though. Very impressed. Hows everyone today btw?

Brandbombe-hyjal · November 16, 2018, 7:49pm

I still prefer a gryphon myself. Small carbon footprint, fuel efficient, low maintenance (although she gets a little cranky when she’s hungry), quite propulsion, smooth ride, heated seat, anti-theft, auto-piloting, and you can’t curl up all comfy and cozy with a machine on a cold night of camping.

Morician-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 7:50pm

Bored at work, mostly. Figuring out forum stuff–no complaints so far, really.

Myorga-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 7:53pm

At work. kicking the clock to make it tick faster so I can head home and put up the tree for Winter’s Veil.

Yes I know it’s early, but there was a family tragedy that struck shortly after Pilgrim’s Bounty last year, so we’re hoping to get a head start on the festivities and enjoy them while we can.

Zandrae-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 7:54pm

Did you read a word I said about how harassment is often nuanced, subtle, and that moderators can’t pick up on it so flagging posts is pointless because the moderators won’t realize it?

You seem to have these wearily fanboy obsessive blinders on, going so far as to victim blame.

It’s not my fault the people who developed this software have never been the target of real harassment and have poor design policies. It’s not my fault Blizzard choose this garbage software and didn’t think things through.

Myorga-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 7:55pm

Hating on Discourse on a Discourse-based forum.

thatsapaddlin.jpg

EDIT:
The problem is not the software. It’s the people. The moderators can only do so much. If a post offends, report it and move on.

Zandrae-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 7:59pm

The forum didn’t run software that disallowed blocking until the other day.

If blocking existed on this forum software, I’d have blocked you already.

What part of some forms of harassment are subtle and will go over moderators heads and the best way to avoid them is to allow people to block the harassing poster don’t you understand?

I know you think you’re a hot shot because you moderated some forum for some basically dead game but you really don’t have a nuanced understanding at all of what I’m talking about, you’re just mindlessly worshiping the decisions of a software designer that didn’t think things through.

Zandrae-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 8:07pm

Here’s what I wrote earlier about the problem, perhaps you can actually read it instead of blaming the victim and dismissing valid concerns due to some weird fanboyish obsession you have.

Zandrae:

One of the things I’ve been dealing with for the past five years is ongoing harassment from a malignant narcissist, it has spanned social media. I use tools like block EXTENSIVELY to protect myself.

The modus operandi of narcissists in online RP is that they fashion themselves as community leaders. They’re charming and people gravitate to them, they become really popular really fast. They pick one or two people that they shower with attention and put on a pedestal, then engage in the standard idolize, devalue, discard cycle with these RP partners to assure they’re getting enough attention.

Once they have discarded a partner, they ostracize that partner and since they are super popular no one will believe the partner that they’re abusive or anything.

Narcs in online RP communities not only target ex RP partners but also other roleplayers who are movers and shakers–people who write guides, w ho do positive things for communities, who lead guilds. People who want to do their own thing instead of kowtow to the narc. People who are competition or otherwise a threat to the narc’s ego.

Anyone in their crosshairs, be they an ex RP partner or competition, does not get left alone. The narc may pop up at any time, responding to any trigger.

The narcissistic abuse cycle for this type of behavior is the Feels Threatened - > Lashes out - > Plays the Victim - > Is Vindicated. They’ll seek the victim out wherever they aren’t ignored and start taking jabs at the person they find threatening to their ego. They may do this subtly, and try to evoke a reaction. The moment they get a reaction that they don’t like they swap to crybully mode, and a bunch of people who like them because they’re popular and charismatic, jump on their victim and pound them into submission. Narc is vindicated, their victim is bullied and silenced.

Other methods used include gaslighting. with a forum like this where you can’t really tell people apart due to post count, they can easily post on several characters to harass and bait their victims, artificially inflate their own takes with liking using alts, and so on. They make you question yourself, they make you wonder if things are your fault.

They also use things like triangulation, where they will try to cause disruptions between friends or whatnot, to turn people against each other. I had one narcissist who tried really hard to befriend my RP partner and best friend, convince her that I was a terrible person, and even use his guildmates to try and pull my best friend away.

And the moderators? They aren’t going to recognize the warning flags. They’re going to roll their eyes and think it’s stupid RP drama. In fact, because narcissists are charming, they may think that the victim is the perpetrator.

Basically, one of the best ways to shut down and protect yourself from this abuse is to ignore them. Especially when the ignore blocks all their alts, too. You can’t see their baiting to react, you can’t see their artificial inflation of crap takes, you aren’t as susceptible to the gaslighting, etc.

One of my abusers has posted on WET. I happened to see his name, recognize it, and ignore them. Now I can no longer ignore them and that’s a huge problem.

I have little recourse: I can stop using the forums entirely for my own comfort and safety because there is no ignore feature. That’s basically it.

He has infinite power to encroach on places I go.
I have no power to protect myself.

Morician-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 8:07pm

All right, y’all need to cut it out and take the discussion elsewhere if you’re gonna fight each other. Not liking the software is fine. Liking the software is fine. But what isn’t fine is having a forum slapfight.

Cannibal-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 8:08pm

Yeah, this is kind of a gross sentiment to see around here. Removing the block feature is worthless. It needs to come back.

Myorga-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 8:10pm

I wholeheartedly agree…
…when it’s actually what’s going on.

I’d rather see people give the flag feature a chance to prove it’s worth before mindlessly asking for features that are impossible because the software platform literally does not support them.

@Zandrae:

I’m sorry you got harassed. I never originally intended my words to come across as me blaming you for anything related to your harassment. I could just as easily claim you’re harassing ME by constantly telling me how “bad” this software is. Again, I’m sorry you got harassed. Tell it to the moderators.

Zandrae-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 8:12pm

My dissenting opinion is that this forum software is garbage because it does not fully protect the victims of abuse and that anyone who dismisses the suffering of victims and stands against features to protect victims of abuse is also garbage.

Flagging will never work because of how Blizzard’s policies and most gaming companies’ policies work.

Apology not accepted. Stop talking to me.

Myorga-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 8:19pm

anywhoo back to the FUN conversation.

Nah, screw it. People we are better than this. If we cannot come together as a community to support those that need support then why even bother?

Zandrae has good points (albeit a questional delivery method) about the lack of the blocking system. I stated emphatically on another post (different thread) that I didn’t think it was a good idea to not include the ignore feature, but it was one nonetheless. Personally I find complaints about things I cannot change to be worthless and a waste of the breath used to voice them. That’s me personally.

And I also appear to have pissed someone off by defending the rights of the software developer to make this decision.

But I can tell you this, if someone comes in here and makes derogatory comments towards someone, I’ll be exercising that flag button as much as I can because that’s what the community is for.

Cannibal-wyrmrest-accord · November 16, 2018, 8:22pm

I think this overall topic is best left dropped.

Currently violates, uh… three of the four rules for these lounges.