Pets loyal Proto-drake… There, there… don’t listen to these nasty people….
That’s fair. When you get down to it any magic user classes - i.e. mages, warlocks, druids, priests, paladins, demon hunters, etc - are using one of the six powers, except shamans…
As of our current knowledge, the elemental powers kind of stand outside that system on their own. We’ll see if they get associated with one of the known powers or if they wind up being something else.
So what’s going on with Raszageth and the other sentient Protos we’ve seen so far lol?
Yes I would, they are still animals lol.
Oh My!! could be old gods increasing the intellect. Both the old gods and the elementals don’t like titans and the enemy of my enemy is a temp ally
Elemental could be a subset of nature maybe?
Sounds like a question for Nobble87
Yeah, same.
But she wasn’t a clutch mate during the book Dawn of the Aspects.
So, what we have here is a Ret Con.
Kind of like how the Centaur in Dragon Isles notably aren’t from Maraudon, but rather the Centaur in Mauaudon now come from the Dragon Isles meaning they actually aren’t the children of Theradras and one of Cenarius’ kids anymore but they clearly still are.
The WoW story is full of inconsistencies like that and retrospective inconsistencies (Ret Con) is more or less a hallmark of the series.
Then there’s recontextualizations: where they add new information and it changes the implications of something. (Like knowing that Gandalf and Sauron are basically angels in the Tolkien Mythos) It changes how you look at things but the actions that took place still took place.
Generally speaking Recontextualizations are just fine, but Ret Cons slowly kill worldbuilding and stories.
So they could put in a thing explaining it like “Raszageth fled shortly after hatching and had the good fortune to be exploring the lands that would be known as Pandaria when Galakrond attacked” and that would make it a recontextualization.
I was waiting for someone to post this! It was the first thing I thought of when someone said, “brain the size of a walnut.”
She is rather eloquent, however.
I would assume the Incarnates were also “uplifted” by the Elements in a similar manner to the Aspects by the Titans.
The old gods are opening the windows of consciousness but it was there even before we even knew it, all along. The titan wish to control it use it for their goals.
From what we’ve seen so far it’s completely different, even the Titan and Broker powers charts show them sitting outside. If anything I’d see them going with Arcane/Order as the elements are kind of the physical building blocks of worlds, and Arcane seems to be dominant on WoW’s physical plane.
Could also be the mysterious seventh power that the Jailer was apparently so scared of, though I’d have myself a laugh if he was getting bent out of shape about some sentient rocks.
As far as I know they haven’t said anything about the Kalimdor centaurs coming from the DI ones, so their backstory is still intact. The DI ones seem to have arisen on their own, potentially from another pairing of a child of Cenarius and a powerful earth elemental (or maybe a wind one, considering their culture?). They might get into it later.
Retcon stands for retroactive continuity, and at it’s heart is the same as your definition for “recontextualization”.
Oh um… I’m sure my mount didn’t hear what I just said! He knows he’s the bestest and smartest boi.
To be fair, this is probably akin to comparing modern day human beings (h0m0 sapians) to the actual Neanderthals (h0m0 erectus). There is a reason we exist today and they do not and it isn’t because they were more physically powerful. Brain > brawn
Proto dragons likely have more overall base intelligence than say a horse or cow and some may even be sentient, but they’re still basically under evolved brutes.
WoW has the Cosmic Colorwheel that explains it all.
It was originally in the front of the Chronicles book, and since then it’s been expanded upon.
It’s clearly based on the cosmology chart from Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.
Then here’s the Dungeons and Dragon’s one
~https://www.pinterest.com/pin/414120128219243374/
I think this one is the fifth edition version.
So in the middle is the Prime Material Plane or basically the universe. Then surrounding that are the elemental forces. Then outside that is the Endless Void of the Etherial Plane. Then outside that are conceptual planes: In Dungeons and Dragons that’s your Law and Chaos vs Good and Evil dichotomies.
In WoW the conceptual plane dichotomies are Light and Void, Chaos and Order, Life and Death. In fact if you removed Life and Death it would just be the Dungeons and Dragon’s Chart.
To be fair, after seeing Raszageth’s actions throughout the story I’d say she’s still pretty dumb
Wait when was this stated?
I do agree that rectons just kinda make getting into the lore tedious tbh, I wish they would stay consistent and not try to reinvent the wheel every few expacs in that regard.
You always have to look at the source of the information. This lore/history was passed down by dragons and the Aspects. Of course they will try to portray their enemies as dumber than they are. Now that the protodrakes are breaking out of their prisons and trying to gain control, we are learning new things about them.
Happens in real life as well. Colonizers always portrayed themselves as smarter and more civilized than the colonized.
Interesting, so then each element would be related to a different conceptual plane if Im reading this right.
Zaetar died 1,100 years ago.
Centaur were put in charge of the Plains 10,000 years ago.
I think there was some dialogue saying they left for foreign shores that I read while leveling but I can’t be sure what the exact source of it was.
So then what about the story between him and Theradras? This is wild.