Were Old Raids Buffed?

Trying to run Ulduar 10-man with a friend and we’re getting dusted by Flame Leviathan. I’ve watched a few videos of players soloing him, with all towers up, during original MoP. We can barely get his HP down to 80% before our vehicles spontaneously combust and then get insta gibbed by his auto attack. I also saw a video of an 85 hunter from cata classic killing him in SECONDS.

Did blizz make this raid or boss unsoloable? So confused

Well i’d say it’s Levi fight that’s weird - if you look at it’s hp - with +4 towers it has like 169 mil hp, then you destroy a tower that buffs him for +50% hp… and it goes down to 102Mil hp, and last time i checked 67 million is about 67% of hp, not 50%, and then if you destroy another tower which gives buff for 50% hp - hp goes down to around 52 million, which again is a little bit more that 50%, so it’s probably just bugged. All the other fights in ulduar doesn’t seem to be hard at all

The vehicles scale based on your equipped item level.
You can check by watching the HP of your unit after you hop in.
Perhaps you are wearing something too high and it bugged / gave you worse stats instead.

I wasn’t talking about my vehicle - i was talking about leviathans hp, and the buffs it gets from towers

I don’t recall clicking reply to you…it was for the OP who was indeed talking about vehicles.

P.s just checked videos from wotlk classic - there levi +4 has 116mil hp, which is way less than 169mil it has now, so it’s definetly a bug

In classic Ulduar was released in its original state before any nerfs to balance it out. They did this believing classic players would just overcome the overtuned state of Ulduar and would increase the ilvl of loot that dropped.

So you are dealing with a mich harder version of the boss.

A guy in our group cleared the same boss last week in sub ~1-2 minutes with 4 other players. While you’re most certainly correct about the pre-nerf tuning, this definitely seems bugged on top of that.

We also just tried with 7 other additional players, and we could barely get FL’s hp below 80%. /shrug.

Well i’ve submitted bug report, but i don’t think we’ll see fix anytime soon (or if we’ll see it at all), unless it affects some other parts of the game, rather than just Ulduar boss

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The numbers you’re giving don’t precisely line up, but it would be expected for losing a 50% buff to reduce your HP to 67% of what it was with the buff.

100 * 1.5 = 150
150 / 1.5 = 100
100/150 = 0.67
150/100 = 1.5

(This is because 0.67 is 2/3, and 1.5 is 3/2, so those are the numbers that come up when you play around with the order of division.)

All of wrath raids are prenerf, and naxx has an additional 40% buff to hp and damage.

Hope this helps

look at the part of going from 3 tower to 2 tower - going from 100mil to 50 mil is definetly not right

FL is completely bricked. A bug has been filed for that.

[BUG]Flame Leviathan seem to have broken hp scaling from buffs · Issue #2323 · ClassicWoWCommunity/mop-classic-bugs

Other than that you can’t do Thorim without some shenanigans since it was only in WoD that the encounter script was changed to permit soloing him the ‘obvious’ way.

Beyond that old raids do not have any buffs that I can think of.

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Much appreciated! I’m glad that I’m not the only one who sees this.

Well from what i’ve seen blizzard have closed glider skip in icc (by putting extra invisible walls), so you can’t skip green drake, which also makes things a bit more annoying.
But so far i was able to clear most 10 man bosses up to 3/4 BoT normal in cata, the ones i couldn’t solo yet on 10 man are algalon, maligos and halion (brewmaster monk)
As for Thorim -yeah it kinda dependant on either your class or you having engineering.
Yogg so far i was able to do +2, aiming to try +1 next week - +0 pretty much seems impossible yet, cuz i’m getting eaten by adds on last phase, so i have to wait for more gear

Halion is also completely bricked, so that’s something to note.

[BUG] Halion fight is currently bugged · Issue #2306 · ClassicWoWCommunity/mop-classic-bugs

For Malygos and Algalon, consider a DPS spec instead. Malygos- line up two sparks then burn him to 1HP during his phase transition RP. 10 is soloable, 25 is duoable if you’re feeling it. Algalon 10 is just soloable the ‘obvious’ way with a hunter pet, but you could probably burn him on a melee DPS as well before Phase Punch ruins your day… probably.