We're not making enough noise about layering

[Velquez-moon-guard]

It likely will be permanent. I can’t imagine them ever being able to remove it on high pop PvP servers. Think about this. A server with a 3k cap is layered in phase 1 to 11k people. Then in phase 2 when it goes back down to 3k cap…where do the other 8k people go? Another server? Fat chance. They’re keeping layering longer than they said.

If you think any of the classic servers will remain at what they start at by phase 2 you are kidding yourself. Will some get nice populations ? possibly but there will be a drop off when players who are playing retail now come and take a look and realize that Classic is not for them. The die hard classic players (that are willing to pay Blizzard) will not be enough to warrant keeping layering past phase 1.

I doubt it. In fact I think it’s very likely we end up in a situation where Classic has double or triple the amount of players at retail and even more down the line. I think it will absolutely blow retail out of the water.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

A server with a 3k cap is layered in phase 1 to 11k people. Then in phase 2 when it goes back down to 3k cap…where do the other 8k people go?

Lets rephrase this:

A server has a cap of four layers of 3k each and fills up on day one. But the end of Week 1, the average maximum player count is 8-9k and only 3 layers are active. By the end of Week 2, the average maximum player count is 5-6k and only 2 layers are active.

By the end of Week 3, the average maximum player count is 2-3k and the layers are permanently switched off.

Where did all the people go? Back to Retail, back to Fortnite, on to some new game, back to complaining on the Em8er forums about delayed releases, back to Reddit to complain that Amazon’s MMO isn’t what they want…

Or they simply aren’t playing 14 hrs a day, and they’re back at work.

[Velquez-moon-guard]

A server with a 3k cap is layered in phase 1 to 11k people. Then in phase 2 when it goes back down to 3k cap…where do the other 8k people go?

Lets rephrase this:

A server has a cap of four layers of 3k each and fills up on day one. But the end of Week 1, the average maximum player count is 8-9k and only 3 layers are active. By the end of Week 2, the average maximum player count is 5-6k and only 2 layers are active.

By the end of Week 3, the average maximum player count is 2-3k and the layers are permanently switched off.

Where did all the people go? Back to Retail, back to Fortnite, on to some new game, back to complaining on the Em8er forums about delayed releases, back to Reddit to complain that Amazon’s MMO isn’t what they want…

Or they simply aren’t playing 14 hrs a day, and they’re back at work.

You really must not think highly of Classic if that’s what you think. Your opinion hinges on Classic not being very popular past a few weeks, which straight up isn’t going to be the case. Classic is going to dwarf retail and be a gargantuan game in comparison throughout it’s lifetime, and moreso when they release BC.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

Classic is going to dwarf retail and be a gargantuan game in comparison throughout it’s lifetime, and moreso when they release BC.

Your opinion hinges on Classic not being very popular past a few weeks, which straight up isn’t going to be the case.

Nope. It hinges on the reality of shared subs, and a few million people with no vested interest in Classic coming in to poke around for a few weeks before going away again.

I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it just for you:

Layering doesn’t cater to tourists. Layering protects long term players and realms from tourists.

[Celessi-turalyon]

It won’t. It’s existing because of the bottleneck at launch. Ion’s explanation of when they’re going to start reducing layering is literally “as people level and start spreading out in the world.”

[Necrosis-hakkar (Necrosis)]

We are making plenty of noise, It is more that the devs have put on noise canceling headphones to counter us.

[Derzis-emerald-dream]

OP, do you know the inner workings of the Blizzard servers to know for sure that layering is not necessary ?

[Ohshiftson-area-52]

We are making plenty of noise, It is more that the devs have put on noise canceling headphones to counter us.

WoW balance is like a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors.

Players are Scissors.
Blizzard is Rock.
Investors are Paper.

Warlocks are mushrooms.

Paper beats Rock.
Scissors beat Paper.
Scissors also happen to beat Rock, until Rock is bought out by Activision and becomes an unstoppable negative force in the gaming industry, then also beats Paper, and would beat Scissors, but it can’t find Scissors, because Scissors all quit the game.

So Scissors beat Paper, and avoid Rock, and that is called 2019.

[Necrosis-hakkar (Necrosis)]

Activision is like, “Why you guys no cut open your wallets for us?”

[Velquez-moon-guard]

We no cut them open because layering is stinky

[Zycci-whisperwind]

but I don’t think it can be removed. It’s a hardcoded piece of the engine

I’ve asked several times if it can even be removed. No answers.

By the end of Week 3, the average maximum player count is 2-3k and the layers are permanently switched off.

How are they “permanently switched off”? Is it even possible?

Then in phase 2 when it goes back down to 3k cap…where do the other 8k people go? Another server? Fat chance.

Right? Who is actually going to want to transfer off? A lot of people will go high pop intentionally. They won’t voluntarily go to an empty one.

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

Right? Who is actually going to want to transfer off? A lot of people will go high pop intentionally. They won’t voluntarily go to an empty one.

They go to the same place they are now. The population will drop off.

[Velquez-moon-guard]

Right? Who is actually going to want to transfer off? A lot of people will go high pop intentionally. They won’t voluntarily go to an empty one.

They go to the same place they are now. The population will drop off.

Too many of you Classic skeptics seem convinced the population is going to be huge for a few weeks and then shrink massively. That simply isn’t going to happen. Classic will be bigger than retail for the entirety of it’s existence.

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

Too many of you Classic skeptics seem convinced the population is going to be huge for a few weeks and then shrink massively. That simply isn’t going to happen. Classic will be bigger than retail for the entirety of it’s existence.

Correct it won’t happen, in that it won’t be ‘huge for a few weeks’ it will be modest and either stay there or shrink.

[Velquez-moon-guard]

Too many of you Classic skeptics seem convinced the population is going to be huge for a few weeks and then shrink massively. That simply isn’t going to happen. Classic will be bigger than retail for the entirety of it’s existence.

Correct it won’t happen, in that it won’t be ‘huge for a few weeks’ it will be modest and either stay there or shrink.

You will eat those words in less than a few months. Complete nonsense. Classic is going to completely overtake retail.

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

You will eat those words in less than a few months. Complete nonsense. Classic is going to completely overtake retail.

and you are basing this on what ?
The small population that plays classic runescape compared to retail ? or the EQ 99 debacle ?
Traditionally the launch of ‘oldschool’ servers will have a rush then a huge drop off.

[Nubling-jaedenar (Nubling)]

are u comparing oldschool runescape to retail wow, or retail runescape?

cause oldschool runescape has 4x as many players as retail runescape, which is all still less than retail wow

[Fearoftdark-akama]

Didn’t read but I agree. Blizzard should tremble before the wrath of the true Classic Players.

[Zycci-whisperwind]

They go to the same place they are now. The population will drop off.

I didn’t give an opinion as to what the total population will be, since none us can say for sure.

I would guess that high pop realms won’t drop as low as others though. If they stay higher than the acceptable pop cap, what then?

[Somalion-eitrigg (Somalion)]

I would guess that high pop realms won’t drop as low as others though. If they stay higher than the acceptable pop cap, what then?

then they will have a login queue.