We're not making enough noise about layering

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I don’t want to voice with my wallet. In classic wow tradition I want to pay blizzard monthly and just constantly complain about everything.

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The people who are coming over from retail won’t care about layering and will even argue for it. I’d say that most have never experienced vanilla and have no base for comparison. These are the individuals Blizzard do not want to lose.

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As someone who lives cheque to cheque monthly,i weep for your wallet and the waste of money that entails.

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Your bias is showing,
I started in 06, maybe not classic enough for you.
perhaps we just don’t see it as big of a problem as you do, that’s no excuse to run your mouth.
AND i like both retail and classic, and i would also like to see it succeed so we can possibly get TBC/wrath servers.
Suffer.

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I have disposable income. Don’t judge me.

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Once in a new layer you stay there according to your scheme with no voluntary way to switch? That could work.

The notion of switching layers freely and often does not even make sense if they want to avoid the issues like with sharding. Whether something like your solution or a combination of other ideas.

I apologize too I was directing my comment more at the Blizzard devs than you specifically :slight_smile:

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That’s fine. Features that break what was essential and core to the vanilla experience, that is, community, you’re fine with. You’re exactly the kind of player Blizzard wants to cater to. Everything is wonderful and Blizzard can do no wrong.

I haven’t played WoW since TBC which was the beginning of the end for me. Tried BFA and quit within an hour. It’s no loss to me man. I feel badly for people who want a vanilla experience but the way it’s looking, it won’t be the case.

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Then you should cut your losses and leave, being an insulting tool doens’t lead me to believe that you would be a very good fit for the ‘‘community’’ anyway since if you were to find out that someone was a ‘‘retail tourist’’ you would go off on a rant about being a shill.

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Yes, and in guild wars 2 the economy is rather different since A it’s free to play B it’s full of cosmetics and boosts and C has ‘‘premium currency’’ but still the server thing is similar enough that that is how i think it should work. assuming their hardware can do it.

What i don’t know is how long the overflow servers stay active, as far as i know once the main server’s population dips below a set point the overflow dips back into the main server. but i’d have to go…read to find out for sure.

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Where am I insulting anyone in particular? I explained what I believe is Blizzard’s target market which makes perfect sense, from a shareholder perspective. It just happens to be incongruent with the core audience that wanted vanilla servers in the first place. I Chill out man.

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-eating raw mr noodles- no just starving.

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That’s an insult yo, you may not see it that way but it’s an insult.

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You should stream yourself eating noodles while playing WoW. You can make big money. These clowns will watch anyone stream wow. :sunglasses:

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I would argue that it’s the combat and class mechanics that people long for, not the ideal exact experience of vanilla. / opinion

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I used to stream,but these forums convinced me to stop since i don’t want people around here swatting me or threatening me.
And -takes 2 shots-

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well duh.

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It’s that yea, but also many people do not want other players or things in the world popping in and out of existence. People want the Vanilla cohesive open world.

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I do not like layering. I feel like it makes the “World” of Warcraft small. If you are one of the unlucky ones that get stuck on a smaller layer, you miss seeing what the other players in the “World” are doing. I don’t want to miss seeing the other players. I want to see all of the players, even if it means the starting areas are over-congested. I have to level too. I don’t want to miss a thing.

I saw just yesterday a video of an alliance man using the layering to escape world pvp. There was a large group of horde outside of orgrimmar, and some alliance had also come to orgrimmar, and they were fighting. Then, the alliance man gets one of his night elf friends to invite him to a group, and suddenly everyone disappears, and two poor horde are out there nearly alone, unaware of the large group of their friends on another layer. Alliance man is safe, and to those two horde players, the world looks small and empty.

I can’t link videos, but in case you want to see it: clips dot twitch dot tv slash GoodDeadHamsterBuddhaBar

It makes me so sad to think of the “World” of Warcraft as an instance. We did not have layering or sharding or Cross-Realm Zones in Vanilla, or The Burning Crusade, or Wrath of the Lich King, and we don’t want it now either. Were there hiccups along the way? Yes. However, seeing all of the players in the World makes the World feel like the World. I don’t want to play the Shard of Warcraft, or the Layer of Warcraft.

Abuse of this system has taken place in the retail product for far too long. World PvP is essentially dead at this point in the retail product, and while leveling from 110-120 twice, I saw less than 10 people of either faction both times. The only World PvP to be had at this point in time in retail is gank parties that hang out at the world quests.

The current promise is that this system will not exist beyond the starting areas. I am concerned that this can and will be extended to certain other situations. I am also concerned with how buggy it seems to be, as during the Beta, I frequently phase out and all of the monsters suddenly appear because I’ve passed into a different layer and then immediately die. This has happened to me multiple times already, and while I know it is a bug, it really takes me out of the game and completely ruins any immersion I might have.

Please get rid of layering. Layering isn’t what made World of Warcraft good, and it won’t make Classic good either.

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