If theres any blizzard employees reading this thread, I implore you to remove the rating requirements at the same time you reduce gear cost at the end of season 1. The two changes to original TBC (adding rating requirements and removing arena points at the end of season 1) both add up to a spit in the face to players like me. If you remove the rating requirements at the end of season and allow people who’ve been playing all season to get the gear they wanted and could have gotten in original TBC, I think that will be an OK compromise.
No one believed me last year when I said TBC was a dark time for pvp focused players. They are experiencing it now! I had a rank 13 warrior in vanilla that got heavy into TBC arenas for all 3 seasons, pvp used to be all I did. It was miserable, worse than the original rank 14 grind. I actually almost quit over it back then.
They gutted BG importance and started ham fistedly balancing around 3v3 arena comps. It was brutal, not fun, and a slog. I think the rose tinted glasses were just very tinted for some
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It’s truly amazing how incompetent blizzard is. Almost shocking.
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Yeah, but pseudo elitists ruined when they massively supported the changes to ratings and gear requirements.
that should’ve received a MASSIVE NO NO from the community, which was apparently divided by few people against and massive support from the “gladiators” (guess who is crying right now about the small arena pools).
I mean, they can. It works. As long as it doesn’t affect the in game balance.
It was the worst decision ever from both Blizzard and the community of going ahead with this system. Literally killed casual PvP.
It’s this kind of treatment towards casual PvPers that drove me away from retail. It’s very discouraging that they are doing it in Classic as well. I really hope they’ve learned from this and we can move forward with a better experience.
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Actually, most of our big, controversial changes were made due to sweaties. The dungeon caps, BG changes, the world buff thingy…
I haven’t seen anyone defend the arena changes in at least a month. Once it became clear that participation is way down the support dried up.
I do remember the welfare epics posts 15 years ago and people were pretty up in arms about those. I think they expected casual players to continue to pad the arena brackets making it so more of the good arena players would get gear.
Turns out a lot of good arena players are good compared to the more casual population but aren’t all that when it is a more hardcore population. And here we are now.
Personally I still think they should revert the changes, but most of the arena Joes ended up shut out of the top season 1 rewards and titles in the ultimate “careful what you wish for” statement.
You’re conflating 2 different things, a lot of PVPers are not willing to invest the time to get enough resil to not get 1 shot by mage rogue. They’re not necessarily bad, they’re ‘0 resil paper’ and mage rogue are ‘scissors’. Season 2 will fix it as the power creep between rep gear and s1 shouldn’t be massive. That and if you casually play in s1, you’ll be honor capped for s2 and able to be competitive months later. AWFUL SYSTEM, but it does eventually work out.
Nobody expected them to be dbags, make honor impossibly grindy, lock gear behind rating and never fix horde ques. /shrug Its not worth complaining about anymore, they waited so long to fix the system, they lost a bunch of people, but s2 should have a lot fewer problems than s1. Players should have a non-zero mmr for s2 as well which will help with the teams starting at 0 problem.
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you werent gonna get glad, get over it
If they aren’t willing to put in the time, they are bad due to gear and there is no way to know whether they are bad due to just being bad. Either way they are bad. Bad is bad.
hope it completely rots away, wow pvp is a complete meme
Oh, it’s not just Arena and PVP. They’re implementing the broken versions of all the T5 fights, the ones that were buggy / RNG / nightmares. And they did the launch version of Mag and Nightbane. It’s like they saw people having fun in Vanilla Classic and went, nope can’t have that. This game is only for the sweatlords.
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its all about pay to win
blizz white knights doing their thing, is what i’m going with.
You summed it up pretty well.
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Cept tbc current version does, as we are discussing.
You’re right, of course. But Blizzard does not appear to agree.
On the PTR, all gear except for the gloves requires 1850 rating. You read that right. All gear except gloves for season 2 requires 1850 rating (and 2000 for shoulders).
I will be quitting if anything like these changes makes it into live. Really hard to find arena partners as is and these further changes will just absolutely decimate participation.
No way this will go live. It’s literally an atomic bomb that will kill all pvp and eventually the game.
Games been dead. You’re blind.
Yeah I would imagine they do bring down the rating requirements on most of those pieces. But it will be something worse than we already have and it’s going to really place arena population into a deathspiral.
I am planning on just walking away when my remaining sub times ends.