This is an unacceptable change with the included hit of losing AG for healing and survivablity.
We need prim wave to be reverted on PTR or gain some SERIOUS buffs to compensate for losing damage, maelstrom, and flameshock spread. + healing.
I don’t think they’re going to listen to us this time. Obviously there’s still time but the class change news has really slowed and it’s only been about testing stuff. Fingers crossed though
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We are making noise, theres a pretty big thread on it that I had created a month ago when this change happened. Its still going over on the PTR forum section, and there have been multiple other threads (some by you as i’ve seen and contributed to) created about this. There was also a big thread in here too that is still going.
On top of that, the Wowhead guide mentioned it as the only real change that absolutely sucks for ele. Multiple youtube videos about it. Any time I hear someone talk about it on twitch or even in twitch chat, its negative. Nobody like this change and they have gotten a ton of feedback on it.
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Yeah I’m thinking I’ll be speccing out of it as Stormbringer and focusing on the pet talents with the set pieces. I only pvp.
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Its possible Lightning build is better next season anyway with Storm conduit. Storm conduit is actually so strong its unreal, 1 second off wall+gust of wind+nature totems+interrupt per lightning bolt cast is actually crazy, and reduced interrupt on lightning bolt too. Stormbringer+Lightning bolt talents get a lot more lightning bolts out than current build, so I think we will see people jumping on that.
But the prim wave change is just bad and sad all around, for pvp and for pve. Took an ability with a lot of flavor/theme that was really fun and turned it into a bland ability that just feels like using a weaker version of ele blast since it looks smaller.
The fact they haven’t even updated Prim Wave once for ele since this change happened is so wild, didn’t even try to give it more maelstrom gen/damage, even if they did it would still be worse thematically and gameplay wise than on live, but they haven’t even attempted that yet and we are likely getting an announcement next week for end of season.
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not sure why this still hasent been addressed. it sucks.
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As someone who enjoyed shaman all throughout Dragonflight, it has been absolutely miserable watching them rework the class constantly like this. The fire build I used to enjoy is dead and gone and the Primordial Wave change kills off what remains of the playstyle with no benefit at all to any existing playstyle (actually just an active detriment)
I really wish that whoever is reworking these abilities like this actually sits down and tries playing the class at some point. And that doesn’t mean just mindlessly spamming chain lightning like they apparently think we should be doing.
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You’re going to spam chain lighting and you’re going to like it
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I’m with you. The new prim wave is so bad. It attempts to fix a problem that doesn’t exist by introducing worse gameplay and creating worse flame shock problems. It’s a real head scratcher of a decision. Who was asking for this change? Literally anyone? It doesn’t remove any friction with or ability to get shocks out, it creates more, it forces us to wait for full manual shock application. It hits like paper. It is visually 10% as pleasing as flying meatballs. It’s just an all around L with no redeeming factors.
This issue will be covered up by the fact that our tier set revolves around pets this tier, but will be a real detriment to the class when it goes away. The only way to save this abomination of a rework would be to make lmt hit 5 targets, or remove the cd on flame shock.
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Agreed! The set pieces will mask this bc storm pet will give a lot of consistent haste equal to Pwave if we spec out of Pwave into pet talents, which I plan to try.
Hopefully what I’m thinking in my head will actually come to fruition…if not definitely screwed!
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I’ve been playing ele on the PTR and the spec feels even more reliant on Ascendance to do damage. while you do great damage when you ascend, outside of it you do nothing but chain lightning or lightning bolt spam and it feels miserable. One of the main things that drew me to elemental shaman during DF was the fact that we always had damage because or PW+LMT and the haste from Splintered Elements feels great. Spamming filler spells with low haste and praying for DRE while waiting for the Ascendance cd to come back is not fun. The Storm elemental does good damage, sure but that does not contribute to the fun whatsoever, it’s lame and I’d rather not have pets at all.
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Blizzard is going to get a whole other, other, other Cataclysm — If they don’t change Primordial Wave back to how it was (at least for elemental) before the Undermine(d) patch ruined it.
But yeah, hopefully Blizz hear our voices and make the right decision for the sake of the shaman players 
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I played Stormbringer all of Season 1 with pretty good success I got up to 2475 with it. I played with the Elementals because of how hard it is to cast you need the passive damage. Prmordial was a big part of the build for the haste and instant cast Lava Bursts. Anytime you can not cast and do damage is needed with Stormbringer.
I played a bunch yesterday with the same build and gear and saw about a 40% decrease in damage. Every lobby I was last in damage by a bunch. The damage part doesn’t bother me that much because they can change that, but Ele plays like complete garbage now. The PW mechanics are just dumb it literally will do nothing to your main target unless they have FS on them. Its no longer a spell that you cast at a player but a spell that just hits people around you with FS on them. You don’t even have to be targeting anyone to use it.
The quality of life of the new PW is just hot dog water.
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This Pwave is not like the Pwave you loved!
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This is false advertizing! We came to know Pwave and then they bait and switched us!
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they need to just change it back for ele, I don’t want the current one to just have a bigger number
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Bait and switch Pwave!!!
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Given the entire first page of the Shaman forum is 95% about the PW nerf (the other 5% are “I’d like to talk about something other than the PW nerf”), I’d say noise is being made. Now whether Blizzard listens or not is anyone’s guess.
I agree. The change is horrific beyond reason. When I first heard they wanted to make PW aoe, I figured they were buffing it since I never found it that great outside of Totemic use. But now it just sucks REALLY bad across the board. A 30 second cooldown spell TALENT that does less damage than Lightning Bolt.
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Nothing will beat hitting pwave with ascendance and then hitting that lava surge and then 800 meatballs come flying out in waves 
give it back blizzard
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Yeah, how it functions now is just clunky & unamusing to play with — Won’t matter how much they “Buff” its damage - The playstyle of the spell is the issue.
It was far more fun in season 1 
Than it is now, since they changed it in Undermine(d) of season 2. 
Again, hoping they change it back 
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