If it worked, we wouldn’t have had racial slurs posted here. I am not linking them but it’s happened and both my wife and I flagged them. Then we can get to other posts that are not racial slurs that are even still in this thread.
Seen them as well.
Posts don’t get removed/hidden unless enough people flag them.
Most likely, that’s also why some are still present.
Sadly, it’s hard to find a version of this type of system that works well as, on one hand, you can’t just have a situation where 1 person flag a post and it disappears. As some people flag posts simply because they might not agree with what’s in that post.
On the other hand, we have to have some type of system which allows us to help mods keep the forums clean from inappropriate or otherwise upsetting posts.
Or just posts that are against the CoC in general.
On another note:
A while back someone asked regarding the changes between WotLK and Cata for the specs and why the general design of specs were now including baseline obligatory abilities instead of, like in WotLK, you could find many of them deep into the talent tress.
Most likely, one of the bigger reasons for this change, was because they(devs) decided that, with specs now providing for more focus on identities compared to for example in Vanilla or even TBC, it wouldn’t be as fun to have to level through most of the content without even having access to your signature abilities.
In WotLK, Black Arrow required you to be level 50 while Explosive Shot, required level 60. Considering they were meant to be abilities that very much defined what your spec was all about. They(devs) probably wanted you to get to see that earlier on.
Is this all that there was to it? No, most likely not.
This is also a reason for why I’m a bit hesitant towards supporting bringing in a design for talents such as the above. Sure, at max level, it might not matter. But until you reach the level required, it will matter for some/many.
Yeah, after writing this and then sitting in bed last night I thought same thing. Every 5 levels maybe, there would have to be enough to make choices, but at same time enough points that you could not just fill every node. You would still have to put some thinking into the build you wanted to go.
Lmao this thread. They’ve got to close it soon. Congrats on that.
RSV was never great. RSV isn’t coming back. A fourth spec is a horrible idea.
Shout out to all my anti MSV/RSV cohorts.
Carry on.
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welcome back buddy
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Agreed.
The exact number of levels required for each new talent point would ofc be determined by the total amount included in your level cap.
As an example, if we aren’t getting a level squish, then getting a new talent point to spend in the way you talked about every 2nd or 3rd level, it would just like in WotLK really, amount to waay to many points in total.
It would also once again require there to be certain “filler” talents just to give us something to choose from. Or we’ll end up to close to the style of the Legion-artifact trait system where you can just pick everything.
Which isn’t what talents are meant to be about.
On that note, I found this video earlier that is about the process of making the MoP-expansion. It’s part of a series of videos going back to the start with Vanilla and it, as far as I can tell, spans all the way to Legion.
If you start from the 27:36 timestamp, this is where they begin talking about the changes to the talent system-design that came with MoP. Giving us some background into why they decided to change things.
In case someone hasn’t seen this already 
Video:
“The hole in the wall was not my fault! I was just doing what I was told to do.”
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Uhh… Yes
Soon this will be the 1st thread on any of the class boards to surpass 1000 posts.
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Technically, it already has.
The counter is, with my reply, at 1062.
Though some replies have been deleted.
But either way, it’s a popular thread indeed. We can only hope it’s enough to sway the devs.
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1k replies, but only 100 users within the thread.
Along with the difference of opinions of how SV should be treated, unless there’s a 4th spec (unlikely), the RSV playstyle replacing live’s MM, or a massive shift in how specs are put forward, I do not expect Blizzard to address the return of the spec.
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+1 for survival staying melee
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Honestly, i don’t think having one Specialization be Melee is bad. However compared with all other Melee Classes/Specializations … Survival Hunter looks like cobbled together.
I dislike the heavy reliance on the Pet(would love if you can go Lone Wolf) … and what you say here … actually this could be easily fixed by giving Marksman Skill-changing Talents.
Either multiple Talents that exchange certain Skills with other Skills … or one Talent that exchanges multiple Skills giving the Hunter the old Serpent Sting, Explosion Shot(or another strong short duration DoT) would be enough.
As for Survival … take out the reliance for the Pet, give it a option to be Lone Wolf … and give the rotation some aim instead of that mess of Skills and Talents.
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Considering most threads on the class forums pick up less than 10 unique players. I would say that 100+ is quite decent. For a topic as specific as this.
And, considering this isn’t the only topic on this very subject that we’ve seen since RSV was removed, I would say it goes deeper than that.
Is it very likely? Maybe not.
But if we start to think like that then, what would be the point in providing feedback at all really?
Take the 4th spec route as an example…
It might not be the only way we could get the spec back(to varying degree ofc). But the real question is more on the lines of: Would there be a better way than a 4th spec?
How would you go by avoiding hurting other players who like their current specs?
How would you implement the RSV playstyle in another way that would provide us with a proper modern version of the spec that would actually feel like playing it in full? Like you’re actually focusing on the fantasy of that old spec?
Should you decide just to ignore the continuous requests to bring it back? Should you say that it will never come back again?
I mean…that would upset quite a few people, wouldn’t it? And for what reason?
Because it would take a bit of time and work to recreate it?
I guess people have vastly varying opinions on what would be enough to bring that old playstyle back.
But if you ask me, adding Explosive Shot and Serpent Sting into MM, and even adding Black Arrow back in there, would not even come close to give us the old SV spec back.
They already tried this. It did not feel like old SV at all.
It only felt like MM with a few extra niche abilities.
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Agreement on ranged survival coming back, Survival as it stands now just feels like melee bmlite to me, and honestly I miss old survival
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I honestly think RSV got Demo Locked.
The pieces seem to be falling into place for a Dark Ranger / Shadow Hunter type class.
They had to make room, so they killed the magic archer spec. Its the only thing that makes any sense.
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My $0.02 on all of this. I am one of the players you haven’t heard much from. RSV player who toughed it out through Legion, and unsubbed after. Blizz failed on their promise to keep RSV in MM, and even worse admitted that they made changes in the Hunter class that they knew would not appeal to Hunters. WTF? Try that in any other class (I.e. remove a spec from Mages to make a niche spec that appeals to non-mages).
I’m back for a bit for the 15th anniversary event, and hold out hope that Blizz will fix the hunter class and make it fun to play again. Oh, and going forward hope that they will develop the Hunter class with Hunters in mind, not other classes.
I’m 100% on board with Bepples, and when discussion comes up about those who have given up and don’t play anymore - that is me. I read the forums hoping for some gleam of hope for the game I have sunk so much time and effort into.
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Bheleu is back 
Another one who gave up was Guillotaur. He used to post very frequently here but he informed me on Discord that he couldn’t stand the Hunter situation anymore, particularly Survival, so he quit for good.
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Who knows how many others have just given up on WoW after the treatment Hunter have been given, with removal of specs and empty promises. How many more voices would there have been to this thread?
Maybe it would not of just been Bepples or Ghorak posts filling this, maybe it it could have been hundreds more; however, there is just so much that a player will except be ore they have to leave or be dragged down.
Even if Blizzard never notices our posts at least we made our stand on the issue and let our voices be read.
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To me Survival feels exactly like Melee BeastMaster.
I didn’t like/care for that Legion Hunter&Pet Double Attack … or that Kill Command we got now.
What i would want is being able to run Lone Wolf without a Pet … then i would want that i can do most abilities on range, 20-30 yards … but the strongest abilities should require Melee Range.
As for Ranged Survival … the base was Explosion Shot, Serpent Sting … Black Arrow … and thats it.
They could make one Talent that exchanges all Marksman Skills with those.
Then again … it would be probably smarter to just scrap the new Survival … riming back the old Survival … and then add new Survival as 4th Specialization …
But with the Specialization System we got since Cataclysm/Mists of Pandaria … you can’t just add some Talent choices … you have to add whole Specializations.
But that could be something … instead more Classes … why not add a new Specialization for each Class? I would prefer that to another Artifact/Azerite Armor System.
Both suck, they bring back the choice we lost when we lost the old Talent System.
Our pets are apart of Hunter’s identity, take them out and what is MSV? Just a Arms warrior that took up tinkering.
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