But would it be so hard to imagine? Picture a person playing as a Troll druid wearing a bear pelt and fist weapons, running around the field tearing into enemies with their claws and tusks. A worgen playing feral that wants to play as a feral worgen? Heck, let a night elf ferocious bite somebody. It’s would be funny.
You don’t need to personality agree with these ideas, but you should be able to accept that someone does. Does letting them have what they want hurt you?
Takes what away, exactly? You still have the same personal experience as before, unless you are referring to how other players look. Do you take offense at other peoples transmog or toy use as well?
Also it is common sense that making some one happy by giving them a thing does not equal making you happy by denying others. The first is just a plus for them, where as the second is a plus for you and minus for them.
Ok, but thats not the case though. Are people mad that they cant be in their racial form while as one of these specs? The answer is no. There is no reason dracthyr aren’t the exact same.
I accept that they do and I disagree. Yup it does don’t like it don’t want to see it.
I agree Dracthyr should have better T-mog, better Barber shop, etc. but not perma visage form.
Glad to see someone so confidently speaking for all people. Must be a lot of work polling everyone.
You don’t wanna see it? That’s your whole point? Happy people offends you. Okay.
my dude how many forum posts in the past year have you seen about it. Vs every. single. day. Its just not a complaint man. Its very obvious
Nope not a problem with happy ppl. got a problem with people changing the identity of the class to what it’s not. Make your own game if you want your dragons not to be a dragon. don’t mess with the one I pay for.
So you get to have what you want in the game you pay for AND other people can’t have what they want in they game they pay for. Not everybody gets what they want. It you game and everyone that disagrees is wrong for self evidence reasons. Glad I am somehow the selfish opinion here.
Dude its literally the class man, blizzard explained it themselves my guy. Its uses more draconic abilities than the others, thats why the others can and evokers cant. Please dude stop
Its literally “dragon the class”
These people are completely incapable of seeing past their “bUT I wAnT iT!” argument to realize their own hypocrisy.
No, things that are part of the game that allow you to change how you look add flavor. Incessantly whining about things looking like the race they’re supposed to is not analogous to this in any way, no matter how much you try to twist people’s words or employ verbal gymnastics.
At the end of the day your argument is “even though I knew how this looked when I made it and people enjoy the current game state, you can’t have a negative opinion on that changing”.
Yes, I can. This is how the class was intended to look and I don’t want it to permanently change and further homogenize the game, even if I can opt out personally".
The problem is homogenization. You make the dracthyr form pointless, and the Evoker class becomes just a mage variant instead of something unique and special. We already have several spell-casting classes that don’t require Dracthyr form, so I don’t understand why posters are obsessed with making the dragon spell-caster non-dragon. Can we have a unique class in WoW please?
So why have visage at all then? The visage for didn’t just happen, nor was it a copy paste like worgen humans. A lot of work went into it, and they could’ve avoided all of this by not making it the first place. But they did, and some people liked it. And some of those people like playing evoker. But you are bound and determinated to shout down any of those people that say they want both. Because how dare they? Because you don’t want to see it.
I mean, no. The game has opened up in a lot of ways, but there’s still a ton of throughlines for aesthetic cohesiveness. Blizzard has been fairly consistent with them as well. A caster casting spells in their caster form instead of being in a form that’s barely an actual form is fine, and this applies to both Moonkin and Shadow forms. A Feral druid being in their caster form while doing cat or bear things is on the other side of that line, just like dracthyr. This line is only ever breached via things like silly toys and such.
No one is saying “my way or the highway”. We’re just telling you how it is and why it is how it is. You’re the one conducting yourself in a blatantly bad-faith manner because you’re upset with the reality of the situation. It’s an RPG: there are going to be some uncuttable bonds between mechanics and aesthetics. Blizzard is never going to replace specs with generic mechanical interactions to which you may then apply whatever aesthetic you wish. If you want to engage with dungeons and raids and questing and whatever with the suite of effects and interactions which we call an Arcane mage, you are going to be playing an Arcane mage. Similarly, if you want to play the spec that is inextricably intertwined with being a dragon, you are going to be a dragon. If you want to play the bear spec you’re going to be a bear. If you want to play the cat spec you’re going to be a cat.
You aren’t obliged to like it, but you’re setting yourself up for pointless frustration by hanging your hopes on certain changes, of which this is one.
The visage form is based on the Dragon aspects like Alexstraza and Wrathion who can take humanoid form. The class was never made to be visage only, it was only flavor for the class concept which is based on WoW’s dragon heroes from the 5 dragonflights.
Visage form is canonically an illusion that Dragons and Drachtyr take in order to not frighten people. Your true form is the dracthyr, which is why it makes zero sense to make the class visage only.
Because the dragons have visage and we are mini dragons? idk what to tell you man. All i’m saying is evokers are meant to be more “draconic” as per the words of blizzard.
If that happens, it will be because of one thing. If every one playing evoker chooses to play it in visage form, then that means everyone playing evoker wants this thing you are saying they can’t have.
But that won’t be they case, even if combat evoker becomes an option. Why? Because of you, and people like you. All of you shout down this? You will still be you. And you still will have dragon form.
I bet tons of people want to be able to transmog any armor type too – does that mean blizzard should open it up for us?
Also it’s funny to say
And follow it up with
You can’t even see out of that hole you’ve been digging for an hour at this point.
Blizzard says a lot of things. Things change because this is a game for players. Did you know that allies couldn’t be shamans once? Or that taurens couldn’t rogues? Crazy how things change.
Yes, yes they should.
But here’s the problem (again); It won’t stop with permanent visage form. The next thing will be people complaining that the animations don’t match the humanoid forms and they’re going to want a rework to remove or change the dragon-based abilities like Deep Breath and Pyre to make them gel better. So again, we’re stuck with a mage variant instead of a unique and interesting dragon class.
What’s so ridiculous about this is that you can simply roll a mage and get quite a bit of the Evoker’s magic schools without worrying about the dragon form at all. But that’s not enough for you, you want Evoker to be that way too. Again, class homogenization, which simply sucks and makes the game less fun to play.
Cause you cherry picked the if out of there. I was was speaking of a hypothetical where
Lmao, the digging continues.
Solid work taking that bait, brother.
Everyone here is making more coherent arguments than you are. You’re just having a tantrum at this point.
It’s time for bed.