That was an issue very quickly fixed, not only did leaving early give you a deserter debuff you just got requeued into the same dungeon.
But props for not even knowing how LFD works.
It prevents the start of those relationships.
Instead of asking for help from same server players they go into the rdf tool and make a bad/hard run for random people. Giving them a bad experience and preventing them from even asking for help because they can just queue for it and an unlucky group of players is now stuck with that undergeared tank who will make the dungeon a challange or even impossible without replacing said tank.
Except it doesnât, you can friend tag with bnet tags in classic now. So if you meet someone you really like on another realm thereâs nothing stopping you from friending them cross realm.
Deserter debuff was a thing, people chose that over occulus (they did dailies, got on an alt and uses rdf, exc until debuff was gone). And it did not force you back to that dungeon again when you queued up. It had the same chance of it being occulus as the first time, it was never a garenteed occulus again.
And yet i cant intentionally do dungeons with them, dailies, raids, exc. Unless i realm transfer. Which has a multi month cooldown/lockout to prevent AH abuse.
Aka, they are not part of my realms community.
You were most certainly forced back into the first dungeon you got LFDâd into if you didnât finish it. You think I didnât try that trying to fish for easy runs?
Although occulus was fine VH was far worse since it was a stupid gauntlet event.
So what youâre really saying is classic needs the full cross realms support for grouping retail has.
No you werenât. All you had to do to get out of it was run into a dungeon manually, run out, and reset your instances. And it freed you from the âforcedâ repeat. Did you not know this?
Except that no that didnât work.
Im not saying that at all. I am saying with how classic is set uo, each realm is its own community.
CRBGâs say hello.
Worked fine for me, so idk. I remember doing it plenty on my dk tank to get out of doing dungeons i didnt want to do because it didnt get the icc dungeons (wanted to farm the hilt drop).
And crbg is almost a separate game from pve content.
Fair enough I Guess but still I donât know maybe itâs me maybe you can call me over picky but I wouldnât step foot into a heroic unless I have all blues.
Daily or not But maybe thatâs me.
But either way It doesnât solve the fact that LFD would just be a better solution than what theyâre doing now.
Because all the problems that you think no LFD is going for vent or going to be there anyway You say Community isnât there the way you see it being there.
And yes your experience is different than mine fair enough But I play on pagle And from what Iâve seen unless you play on 1 of 2 servers.
world pvp is non existent If most pugs that you start people do not want to talk And if you honestly think itâs not going to get worse in wrath Youâre being a little bit Naive.
People are barely talking and theyâre all about that rush rush mentality I can tell you as a protection palatin Iâve been asked several times to pop a mana pot Instead of drinking.
Now am I looking forward to that going away and wrath mother of pearl yes But it just goes down to the main point people are not going to want you if you are a certain spec it doesnât matter if you can do the content or not itâs the fact that youâre not optimal.
Let me ask you this why would I ever bring a hunter over an elemental shaman Is the answer going to be Youâre single target damage OK sure kind of I guess it doesnât matter.
If people are going to want the classes that do a lot of aoe Because who cares if you Hit something for 30k Or I can bring ADP S that hits everything for 8k If everything has maybe 10k health.
Thatâs where lfds best strength comes in Like it or not if youâre an overgeared player You donât have a reason Is to do heroics in Tbc Outside of the daily In wrath you doIf Noah the reason To help you pay for your raid consumables.
The other half of that Itâs sometimes fun to flex I used to see it all the time I used to tank dungeons And I used to DPS and there was a lot of times I used to see arms Warrior with shadow morn as a tank.
Tech on my palatin tank later on I used to be the top DPS Is for Heroics Thatâs a fun experience and the lower geared players are completely fine because well theyâre getting through it.
And if youâre in a sub optimal speck youâre more likely to stay in a group through LFD than without it if people can pick the ideal group why would they pick you.
there is no reason in wrath heroics To have high single target damage now if they do do something like mythic plus thatâs a whole another ball game.
But as it stands thatâs going to be the case especially with gear score and you can bet that thereâs going to be the achievement Spam there too except itâs going to be worse because instead of being at the end of the game itâs going to be at the start.
With the popularity of gdkps Heck I wouldnât be too surprised if youâre gonna start seeing people organized carry groups per person Thatâs a problem in retail now.
So yeah
CRBGâs are a cross realm group finder, exactly like LFD. They both address the same problems.
It also has a different scale.
The if crbg didnt exist you cant pvp because of the enemy faction not pvping. And you would need 20 people from your realm (10 each faction) to do the smallest pvp bg. Hence it wouldnt happen for many of the realms at all. Dungeons are not nearly as hard to get a group for and they dont require the enemy faction to also form a group for it.
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Boo-hoo you can go pay for a transfer to a realm with more PVP (from someone that you keep telling tough luck that the server I played on didnât have enough of my faction to run dungeons).
The new LFD tool they are adding is NOT casual friendly. It will cause casuals to be rejected over and over again from groups they are trying to get into. Casual specs will be rejected, casual raiders will be rejected, casual players in general will be rejected because groups will want to min max the hell out of their runs with people who hae the proper achievements/scores. With the LFD finder at least they could get into groups no matter their spec/achievements and keep their spots long as they did their jobs.
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This isnât Vanilla, this is Wotlk, all specs are viable. Pugs might be picky with gear but if youâre super under geared hypothetically why would it be fair for the random LFD members to carry you? If youâre a casual join a guild community who is happy to run dungeons with you despite your gear so that way you can use that gear in their guild raids. Itâs a win-win situation. Stop looking for the easy way out and just try, I promise you it will be much more enjoyable experience that way.
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Yes, that was my point. To point out that not all "OG Vanilla player"s agree with you.