Yah kinda bow bernie got shafted
Not the way you think there is I have never been in a pug If of any type that does not have the phrase summon Or flying to the stone in some way shape and/or form like it or not the whole the world is alive type concept that you believe is there.
And people stopping in mid dungeons and having these long and debt conversations unless theyâre on discord doesnât happen the most that happens is a Hi hello how are you.
And as far as the whole world PDP thing unless youâre on 1 or 2 servers I hate to tell you bro itâs Generally 100% of one faction Or extremely close to it The bottom line is RFD is just better for the game overall.
Well, your experiences are different than mine.
I have had multiple in depth conversations in heroics. Im not saying it happens all the time at all, but i have had it happen. Usually after a bad pull and i take over marking and CCing for that pull. Then it goes into a conversation on mechabics, class abilities, exc.
Go home, youâre drunk.
That, in there, lies the problem.
*laughs - âthere are dozens of us!!!â
Most people ive talked to since classic launched have this opinion - Vanilla didnt have LFD so we dont want it. TBC didnt have LFD so we dont want it. Wrath did have LFD, so its fine.
The only time that has ever happened to me ever happened to me is if I get stuck on a boss.
And 9 times out of 10 itâs because Itâs not a lack of DPS itâs the fact that people are DPS E the wrong thing such as.
The final boss in shattered halls If or the 2nd boss in majesterâs terrace As far as CC at this point In heroics?
Itâs generally just the Yeah 3rd boss on magsterâs terrace and thatâs the only CC Iâve used on heroics in a very long time ever since the nerve.
Very very very very rarely maybe 1 or 2 mobs in heroic arc but thatâs it On top of that thatâs another thing people are not going to have to see in heroics in wrath.
Itâs so again Most people Donât have these long-drawn-out conversations on the way to the dungeon or even in the dungeon itâs youâre talking Maybe one out of every I donât know 100 runs that might well happen maybe.
Thatâs why Iâm saying Iâm pro lfd If Iâm more for more people getting into dungeons Thatâs what I care about More than no offense trying to recapture this social aspect supposedly that really doesnât exist.
And if weâre gonna talk about world PVP as I said youâre talking 1 or 2 servers at most maybe So I would like to ask this are you really convinced that most people have the type of interactions that you do?
Or do you think the majority of players play the game the way I am talking about Are you really convinced that despite all the mid maxing all the logs All the class stacking along with everything else thatâs all dedicate to mid Maxine are you really convinced?
That people Is really honestly care about traveling around the world and talking to one another Are you really that much in your own bubble?
Thatâs because people have this weird misconception that LFD Is the cough cough Reason that killed the game.
And especially back in 2019 If there was a very large and focused of #NoChange And the whole you think you do but you donât However now that people have played the game again for the 1st time in 17 years.
Theyâre starting to remember of why those changes were made Itâs very different experience when you say it And a lot of people have what I call rose tinted amnesia.
As human beings were more likely to remember the good experiences and block out the bad depending on the experience If you have more good experiences than bad then youâre going to remember those more.
Depending on the person of course but the concept stands I wonder if you took all the people playing the game now if they could go back in time to 2019 with the same mind set that they could see how things turned out if they would really have the same opinion.
The fact is we play the game very differently Then we did back in 2004 And weâve had 2 years of just spamming trade chat so yeah I think a lot of people Have changed their opinion on LFD because theyâve seen what things were like before it.
And I think with the way we play the game now LFD just makes more sense
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Well, i regularly help people do stuff for their undergeared alts (especially with wotlk right around the corner and people are trying to get ready for it)
Which include tanks and healers.
So i guess thats why i still regularly use CC in heroics?
What heroic do you do that you see regular CC? Because the only one I can even think of Is either a heroic masterâs terrace or heroic arc.
And even then itâs one time in the entire instant For heroic arc itâs 2 packs Is for a boss Now granted I LOS poll But still.
Was doing a H shattered halls with a paladin tank that was still in blues and greens (alt of someone from a friendsâ friend, i came in to help). He couldnt survive the raw damage of a full pack long enough for the healer to get a cast off. Let alome hold aggro. So CCing helped keep it clean.
Oh OK that makes a little bit more sense Wait he was doing heroic shattered halls and not in at least all blues?
I mean you can literally get all blues from just question gear I mean especially itâs a
palatin tank thatâs wow I donât know maybe itâs me but I wouldnât go into a heroic unless I was in all blues thatâs If not a good decision as a tank.
If you are getting punched in the face You need to be well ideally the best scared person in the group But If you need to do all your normals before you step into heroics that still a thing.
OK fair enough Iâll give you credit so if your tank is extremely under geared than you CC.
He had 2 or 3 greens still, and it was only really doable because he had a T6 healer and dps that were using CC, stuns, and having him kite with concencration and slows.
Part of why he was in there was to replace a green quest trinket.
I regularly help people do stuff like that so i am used to helping âdisaster groupsâ who have issues from gear, player skill, or w/e reason a group is having issues.
But why do heroic shattered halls when You could get the trinket because I know what trink it youâre talking about Figuring of the colossus.
That drops just as many times In normal as it does in heroic And you can run it multiple times I donât know maybe itâs me but I donât step a foot into heroics Until Iâm at least.
All blue If maybe 1 or 2 epics depending And for the record Iâm that way too thereâs lots of people I run normal explains that for all the time if they need it.
Iâm just saying most heroics at this point unless Itâs a very very unique situation youâre not going to do cc.
LFD does not prevent you from doing that.
Indeed according to the doomsayers LFD is rife with those groups, so why arenât you jumping at the opportunity to âhelpâ them? After all isnât everyone you do a dungeon with a BFF for life?
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It was the heroic daily at the time. So we did it on heroic. Didnt take to much longer after we got into the groove of what to do. He was tanky enough for the bosses. Just some of the bigger packs needed a bit of CC.
And this a problem with heroics in TBC, people will generally only touch the harder ones if they happen to be the daily.
The problem with rdf and the sence of community is the cross realm part. If i have virtually 0 chance of meeting someone again, i domt want to bother helping them. But if i do have a chance of seeing them again. I am more interested in helping them. Because one day i might need help, and they might come do so because i helped them. Its part of why i have multiple guilds that i am on good terms with, which helped me a lot recently. My guild died a few weeks ago from internal politics issues in the officers. I joined one of my freinds guilds by the end of the week and helped about 5 of my old guilds members find homes in active SWP raiding guilds as well. I am currently on the bench for the raids of the guild i am in now, but ive already gotten a few attempts on KJ as they have rotated me in by the 2nd week of me being in the guild. They just downed KJ this week for their 1st kill and we got him down to 13% when i was in there (wiped from a mistimed dragon shield by .2 seconds)
Part of why i donât have trouble finding groups for stuff is because i go out of my way for other people that i have the chance of meeting again. Cross realm ruins that chance because i wont meet the people from other realms again in any meaningful way.
And rdf does hurt my abikity to try to make these connections because instead of talking to people on their realm and asking for help, they are more likely to use the rdf tool and make a bad run for random people instead of trying to make a group that already knows its to help someone else and it will be a bit harder than a normal run.
LFD doesnât prevent you from doing any of that.
What is does do is show how hollow those relationships actually are.
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We would have done it on normal if it wasnt the daily.
But that trend still applies to wotlk heroics. A lot of people dont like occulus. It was common for people to get that one in rdf and just leave because they didnt want to do that dungeon. So rdf didnt really fix this issue either.