We don't want flying

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

I think it’s a bit over dramatic to say the game would end because of travel.
Let’s be serious here. If people quit the game because they couldn’t travel fast and easy, then do they even like mmorpgs?

There are plenty of problems with the game as it is. Travel should be so low on the radar it’s impossible to compute.

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

Yes, everything we are talking about here is an opinion and I wasn’t not suggesting otherwise.

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

WOD: I didn’t play wod so I don’t think your numbers actually mean anything for those like me that skipped WOD but are too irked to go deal with the stupid grind that is Draenor pathfinder.
Legion: The first Expac with a large enough playerbase to consider
BFA: it’s still early

Honestly I think quoting percentages at this point is garbage, you’d need quite a few expacs to actually have datapoints worth talking about and even then you need to lens those datapoints against players that played the content while it was current . Otherwise it’s not even worth talking about because most people ignore old content. I for one am not going to spend time on flying in draenor because other than Alts it provides no material benefit to me. I would imagine that anyone who skipped legion probably feels the same about that (unsubstantiated of course). It is worth noting that I would like and would pay for even at 10k flying in Draenor even if it was per alt.

The numbers do matter and do serve as a data point. In fact both WoD and Legion completion are up slightly from the last time someone made a stupid post about flight. You being a sub and not having it though don’t help those numbers. But you do you and continue thinking the majority want flight

[Sorelai-wyrmrest-accord (Sorelai)]

Many of us don’t care at all.

Many of us do want flying.

[Jessail-terenas (Jessail)]

Then please be conscious of your phrasing, I realize I’m being nitpicky but it matters in terms of the tone of the discussion. Thank you in advance.

[Darwinsradio-area-52]

You’re forgetting one thing… flying IS content.

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

I’ll do my best!

[Hamstar-draktharon (Hamstar)]

No, what you want is for other people to not be able to fly. You want people to be forced grounded to enhance your own game experience at the expense of their own.

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

Travel is not content imo. What makes you disagree? However some times travel can lead to content that you didn’t expect to engage in like world PvP or herbs or something. Is that what you meant?

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

Just like we’ll NEVER have classic servers? I mean with that huge wall of no it will never be a thing right?

Don’t act like something can never change.

There’s a difference between protecting your IP and people on forums crying over a mode of transportation

[Drakulous-thrall]

When you are on the ground, you see those people and mobs. You know they are there and they know the same of you. You may get dazed off your mount and end up having to fight them, or you see some one getting ganking and join in. These things aren’t possible when you are in the air and that is counter productive to world content. You aren’t skipping it. You are refusing to participate in it, and allowing that option is not healthy for the game.

I saw plenty of people in the air during Legion when they finally unlocked flying. This “flying makes for a dead world” argument is just as bad. There are the exact same amount of people in the world going to the exact places you are for WQs or nodes.

Flying makes the game much better and more fun. It gives players a choice on where they want to go and how to get there. Taking it away robs players of choice.

Also I don’t see how anyone can call an instant teleport whistle then hopping on a flight path that takes control away from the player fun and engaging content. I’d much rather mount up and fly myself across a zone so I can explore than having an on rails flight path.

[Darwinsradio-area-52]

Travel IS content to those who enjoy just soaring and looking around… it is content, it’s a catharsis… it’s an experience in its self… now if you were talking about taking a flightpath that is automated, I’d agree… but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

[Raiyyn-whisperwind (Raiyyn)]

Umm… I’m not sure who this “we” is that you’re referring to, but “I” want flying (at some point).

[Subnine-tichondrius (Subnine)]

I think there is more than just flight causing mass drop offs…

you are reaching …

Huh? I never said there wasn’t… There are plenty of reasons… I think you read what i said wrong… I said in order to find correct % of those pathfinders you would have to first understand how many quit before getting it… etcetera… I am not blaming all quitting the game on no flight… That was not my point at all. Please stay on point and do not fill my mouth with words i did not say.

That’s irrelevant. if your claim was correct that the majority wants flight those numbers would be closer to 100%. Skipping expansions is irrelevant because the achievement is there to be earned. Subs losses would happen irregardless of flight as more people have issues with actual things that are affecting game play, and currently flight isn’t one of them

Uh no. The stat would not need to be closer to 100% as a majority is just 51%… There is much more to break apart from your post but i will just stop there for now since we cannot agree on fundamentals of reality here.

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

Ah I see, so exploring is content. Gotcha thanks for clarifying. I would tend to agree!

[Hamstar-draktharon (Hamstar)]

You do not get to tell people how and why they like a game or what makes a mmorpg.

[Drakulous-thrall]

Just like we’ll NEVER have classic servers? I mean with that huge wall of no it will never be a thing right?

Don’t act like something can never change.

There’s a difference between protecting your IP and people on forums crying over a mode of transportation

The difference? Things change.

[Metrohaha-firetree (Metrohaha)]

You can’t do anything in the air,is my point. Even if you get luckily enough to see them you can’t fight up there or do anything else like buff each other etc

[Darwinsradio-area-52]

Thank you

[Yesitsmyalt-arathor (Yesitsmyalt)]

Now I don’t think thats quite fair. They have one zone that is completely divided by a sea. However, I agree that (despite we’ll get hit for Horde bias), there should be flying in Dazar’alor. Alliance can easily get to every daily and weekly quest/mission board/coins/etc with the exception of PvP which is still pretty easy to get to.
Horde have to hop on a bird from the hearthstone/bank/portals to get to anything content related.