We don't want flying

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

My time is more valuable than that and i would never want to adversely affect a business with a negative thread for the sake of negativity

You’re assuming your negative post would carry more weight than all the others? Besides the only people who are reading it are current WoW players. Maybe some bored ones that have quit? Personally if I was dissatisfied with a product I’d feel it was my responsibility to share that with people and why. The devs are gonna do what they’re gonna do either way though

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

Voicing personal opinion - I don’t care about flight.

What I do care about is personal accountability. You should speak for you and only you. It’s fine to not want something. And I’m the first one to tell people to get over something and view it in another way that’ll make their life easier. I speak curtly to people. But I will never speak for people.

You shouldn’t either.

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

Now you’re making assumptions about player behavior with no data. I’m sorry but at this point I don’t think you’re actually interested in having a discussion but merely in pushing your agenda without regards to reality or proper analysis; as such I’m going to disengage at this time as this is no longer a productive discussion.

And what’s my agenda? Please inform me and quote me where I said what you’re going to claim what I said

[Subnine-tichondrius (Subnine)]

You’re assuming your negative post would carry more weight than all the others? Besides the only people who are reading it are current WoW players. Maybe some bored ones that have quit? Personally if I was dissatisfied with a product I’d feel it was my responsibility to share that with people and why. The devs are gonna do what they’re gonna do either way though

No? You are making another baseless assumption.

I absolutely do not think my post would carry more weight than any other posts. I simply do not want to do it as it has the “potential” to carry “any” “weight” at all. i do not wish to harm a company for any reason when they have not morally wronged me.

So why would i take the chance to make a post that had any potential of harming their bottom line beyond my own decision? I wouldn’t,I currently own one businesse & vested interest in another in real life. I side with the business owner on many things,And the consumer on very few.

I do not feel it is my responsibility to do anything for anyone outside of my family or close friends. My social contract only extends as far as i deem necessary.

And as you said the devs are going to do what they are going to do either way. They have proven that much over and over.

A few people in history are credited with saying this:
The definition of insanity are doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Well,The time for me suggesting blizzard/activision do X is over,It is not that i am a pessimist or cynical that i do not believe they care/listen, their previous actions are what i based my findings on.

But i still know there are passionate developers/people working there that care,therefor i do not want to do anything to harm their earning.

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

Thats why WOD kept the population numbers high throughout its run

It’s also why the game is still here. Cata, MoP, WoD, Legion and now BfA have all at one point or another been the “death” of WoW. It’s still here and doesn’t seem to be going anywhere

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

@Subnine-tichondrius

But i still know there are passionate developers/people working there that care,therefor i do not want to do anything to harm their earning.

Your opinion isn’t harming them though or their ability to earn

Ghostcrawler Says Forum Critics are Wrong

With all the negative attention BFA is getting, it’s best to remember that the vocal minority is usually wrong about representing the whole WoW community. People still believe that “everyone” hated Ghostcrawler and forced him to leave, when he actually never felt that hostility. Just something to keep in mind when you think negative BFA threads represent the millions of players having fun playing the game.

Read the tweet in that topic that was quoted. Your opinion isn’t getting anyone fired. Mine or anyone else’s opinion wouldn’t either

[Subnine-tichondrius (Subnine)]

First of all many peoples opinion have gotten many people fired. watch the news literally any day of the week peoples opinions are getting people fired constantly and also making people quit,you can watch what ghostcrawler said as to why he left wow in depth in some of his youtube videos for instance. so Touche. But i was not talking about firings.

And yes peoples ability to earn are affected by how many consumers consume said product,less consumers = cuts to employees as they downsize to fit market demand. you are not looking at the overall picture. my point is.i would never want anyone to quit something they enjoy on even the slightest chance my opinion resonated with them and fostered frustration or a slew of other emotions that affected their consumer purchase.

Your opinion isn’t harming them though or their ability to earn

i explained that above.

also.

I don’t necessarily disagree with much you have to say other than how you say it. Although we do disagree on many counts.

For instance. You only use statistics that solidify your position,But even then those statistics are only a small part of an overall picture.

There are other things to take into consideration with pathfinder.

Such as.

the graphs of WOD subs during wod and the huge dropoff. a simple google will suffice as it blocks me from posting links for some reason?

etcetera. There are even more aspects that have an effect on those statistics you posted.

You could then extrapolate a change to your statistics based on how many continued to play,many quit,which is a normal lifecycle after a expansion release,which means many of those never attempted pathfinder either as they saw the content not worth their time for whatever reason.

anyway off to bed i go i need a nap lmao. take care.

[Blinte-whisperwind (Blinte)]

We don’t need no aviation.
We don’t need no ground control.

[Achelia-zuljin]

And they wonder why we always want to “punt a gnome”.

[Anareiel-moon-guard (Anareiel)]

No; simply scrolling around will show your OPINION very well.

Honestly, the quality of trolls in this forums has declined, and seriously.
(Except me, of course)

[Rechab-hyjal (Rechab)]

Nothing but classic
In your launcher

Groundhogs leave them birds alone!

[Liaeatha-muradin (Liaeatha)]

I do. I’m just willing to wait for it to be incorporated and to work for it once it is.

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

i would never want anyone to quit something they enjoy on even the slightest chance my opinion resonated with them and fostered frustration or a slew of other emotions that affected their consumer purchase.

While I agree with that I just tend to wonder how much of what’s said here is actually seen by them

For instance. You only use statistics that solidify your position,But even then those statistics are only a small part of an overall picture.

The only statistics I have are what’s available. I have no position on flight other than being apathetic towards it. I just don’t care either way. I use it when it’s available and when it’s not I obviously don’t in current content.

I’m not trying to say they’re full proof either and I apologize if it comes off that way, but under the circumstances it’s the only available data we have and it’s not like Blizzard is going to release their completion metrics for pathfinder

. a simple google will suffice as it blocks me from posting links for some reason?

Put a ` before and after the link you wish to post. It’s on the button to the left on the #1

[Raspir-kul-tiras (Raspir)]

No; simply scrolling around will show your OPINION very well.

Translation I can’t or I won’t because I’m too lazy

[Blinte-whisperwind (Blinte)]

/Freeze frame high five

[Darwinsradio-area-52]

Blizzard should have stolen an idea from DAOC years ago, which is, you can dismount from a flightpath at ANY time… just make it either give you a parachute or glider…

[Leyami-moon-guard (Leyami)]

Flying will not help you have lasting fun memories, the reason people look back on things with nostalgia is that they worked hard or had to do a hard thing and then got something out of it. You’re going to remember the annoying quest that takes forever to get to because the pathing is so awkward and it will be like an inside joke to you. All flying will do is make the whole game a joke to you, you’re shooting yourself in the foot.

And yet, speaking only for myself…flying does make for lasting fun. It frees up more time to get around, allowing me to see much more of the world the developers have built for us…and on more of the characters I’ve created. As I’ve said many times before, flight is freedom in it’s purest form.

The definition of `fun’ is obviously very different for individual players…so it is more than a little pretentious to claim you know what will, or will not, generate enjoyment and good memories for anyone but yourself.

[Andrilynn-bloodhoof (Andrilynn)]

First of all many peoples opinion have gotten many people fired. watch the news literally any day of the week peoples opinions are getting people fired constantly and also making people quit,you can watch what ghostcrawler said as to why he left wow in depth in some of his youtube videos for instance. so Touche. But i was not talking about firings

I think you have a right to share your opinion about why you are no longer happy with a product. After all, if people just leave without saying anything, and many people are leaving because of the same thing, how is the company going to know what is wrong and why people are leaving? I don’t make “i’m leaving” posts either, but I do share my feelings in threads that are about the topics that are the causes for me choosing to leave. (This thread for example)

While the forums are a place where people do tend to get headed and rant (I am guilty of this myself) I still feel like your opinion about your dissatisfaction with a product is valid. As long as you are sharing your thoughts in a respectful way, I don’t think you should feel in the wrong for it. There is even an off chance you could save the company by giving them information that could help them see what is wrong, and they can then go about making changes to fix the issue if it’s an issue a lot of people are also having. If people aren’t aware of a problem, they can’t fix it. If that makes sense.

[Starling-proudmoore]

I totally disagree with the OP. But why was their post flagged and hidden? It is no different than a “I want flying” post.

[Naedoon-thrall (Naedoon)]

I really hope you are right. If Blizz wanted they could just make flying and non flying servers. But then it would truly show the anti fly peeps up for there lack of conviction.