Not true. All (human) paladins at the very start of the Second War were priests or warriors who cross-trained (edit: at least according to the WC2 booklet, but lore has been retconned a million times since), but the Second War was almost 40 years prior to the current time period of WoW. There are middle aged Paladins right now who were never priests or warriors, but trained as Paladins from level 1.
And none of that remotely indicates that Paladins should get a leap, any more than they should get any other warrior or priest ability they don’t currently have.
What do you mean, source? Any character born around the start of the Second War is now 35+ years old. If they were 10 during the Second War they’re now 45+. My own character in WoW right now was never a priest, and was never a warrior, and started in Elwynn Forest as a level 1 Paladin.
I’m talking about every person born after Humans put together dedicated Paladin orders. The one tiny snippet in the WC2 booklet about where (Human) Paladins came from is not applicable to the modern world of Azeroth. Nor is it applicable to the (retconned) past world of azeroth, since we’ve been shown countless Paladin-equivalents even as far back as the ancient Troll empires.
The human nations of the northern Eastern Kingdoms, Lordaeron and its allies, did not have a class of individual called a “Paladin” until war with the Orcs forced them to adapt, and so they trained some of their fighting men in Holy magic and some of their fighting priests in Hammer magic and created what they called “Paladins.” But this was something they did to one generation of individuals fighting one specific war against one specific enemy. There is no lore indicating that all Paladin-equivalents throughout time and space began as Warriors ignorant of the Light or as Priests ignorant of swordplay until they were one day taught the other skill. There are long traditions of Paladin-equivalents in races as ancient as the Tauren, the Trolls, and the Eredar.
Maraad was always a Paladin (which his people called a Vindicator), and he might have been around for more years than the modern Azerothian Human race has even existed.
proven over 10 years ago, like Zaim is stating; its an outdated system that does not work for modern wow. Why should we use 3 abilities to do what all others can do in 1 is plain insanity.
LMFAO you clearly don’t play paladin do you, you still haven’t log into the paladin you claim to have. Also in Legion there was a Night Elf Priestess who I know can be confusing because of the “tess” part in the name was a Priest that became a Paladin. Also just because the video game makes paladin training right from the start wielding both the light and knows how to auto attack does not mean that; it’s how paladins will train in the lore. Clearly you’ve never been in the military as well or you would know that you don’t just train in a hybrid system; there is a reason why Marines will always be Marines before anything else and a US Army Soldier will always be a Soldier 1st before anything else. You have to train in the fundamentals before specializing; there is always a foundation upon which everything is built.
Also the Blood Knights were either former priest of the Light, 1 former Knight of the Silverhand and former warriors. Sure they are older than your middle age Human but, they were formed less than 40 years ago.
Troll Paladins were elite warriors trained to become Holy Warriors, the prelates of the LOA.
Space Goats, we don’t know since we lack a lot of their lores.
Sunwalkers were Warriors training in the way of the Sun Druids, druids are pretty much priests for the cow people.
Go read some warcraft/WoW books, I know its hard but blizz put a lot of their lores into the book instead of the game.
LMFAO where the F did you pull this BS from? This is the funniest lore BS I’ve ever seen some1 to pull.
Eredar did not have Paladin’s the Drainei do.
Troll’s Paladins are just like the Human & Dwarves’ they are elite warriors trained into Holy Warriors that wield the power of the Light; in the troll’s cause, they worship the LOA.
Tauren barely got their sunwalkers, they were not ancient.
Because it’s a snippet telling about an event that happened in the past, before the human kingdoms had a class of people called “Paladins.” Because “Paladins” did not exist for the human kingdoms, they decided to create a class of people called “Paladins” out of the individuals who were already alive and existing (none of whom were Paladins, because Paladins did not exist). The existing people, since they were not Paladins, were already something else, other than Paladins. In this specific case, they tended to be Warriors (who were then trained in the use of Light magic) or Priests (who were then trained in the use of weapons and armor). After these people, from different backgrounds, were trained in the sum total of required knowledge in order to qualify for the role of “Paladin,” they officially became Paladins!
However, NOW that Paladins existed as a class, and now that they had a set of skills and a knowledge base that everyone agreed was necessary to be considered a Paladin, future Paladins (those who were at the time children and were neither the Warrior class or the Priest class) could be trained in these skills and that knowledge base, in order to meet those requirements. Paladin orders were set up to train people as Paladins, and they did not need to recruit new Paladins from the ranks of grizzled old war veterans who had spent the first fifty years of their lives Heroic Leaping at gnolls all day!
Well, NO humans meet the qualifications of being a nonhuman Paladin-equivalent, for obvious reasons.
However, every single human Paladin NPC in the game who wasn’t part of the first generation of emergency-Paladins trained up from Warriors during the Second War qualifies. Since the Second War was about 40 years ago in-game, any Paladin who isn’t about 60+ probably qualifies. So just go to wowpedia and look for every single human Paladin NPC who looks like they’re less than sixty years old.
I don’t know what to tell you man, every single Paladin player character in WoW, including yours, was a Paladin from level 1. You’ve got a good argument for letting Turalyon (the real one lol) Heroic Leap if he wants, but your character was never a Warrior, never had a Heroic Leap, and will never get one.
You haven’t referenced where in lore it states that all current paladins start out their training as warriors or priests. You haven’t actually given a single citation.
edit: and it’s fine if you want lore paladins to have Heroic Leap. As long as we don’t bring that into game for player paladins.
So you have no source to back up your claim that all paladins started out as members of the warrior class?
edit: my source for the alternative view is my in-game character, and your in-game character, and every in-game player paladin, who exist not as canon characters within the lore, but within a canon framework of the lore as presented by the systems and story of the World of Warcraft game, which presents human Paladins as beginning their training at level 1 in Northshire Abbey
I gave you the source from the lore: The story and systems of World of Warcraft. If you’re of the extremely heterodox opinion that no characters, places, or events within World of Warcraft are canon to the Warcraft universe, that is an insurmountable obstacle.
You don’t need a source to understand how “years” work. The framework of the game, as released in the year 2004, presents new Paladins as beginning their training at level one. These new paladins, twenty years later, even if your level one paladin started adventuring at fifteen years of age, would now be at least thirty-five years old, and qualify as middle-aged. The source is the game itself, and trying to weasel out of the lore presented BY the game itself, while discussing the game itself, is flagrantly dishonest. Denying the source while looking at the source is not a tactic of argumentation, it is a tactic of last resort.
So you ARE of the opinion that nothing which happens in the World of Warcraft video game is canon to the lore of the Warcraft universe?
edit: Now I’m intrigued. Which specific books, games, and supplements do you consider to be canon to the lore of the Warcraft universe? Maybe if I put together a patchwork of your extremely specific and arbitrary opinions on various pieces of Warcraft product, I can decipher exactly what kind of world (of Warcraft) you think you’re living in
