if people only care about damage and stuff, they can go with DW fine, and everyone else can pick what they want.
im still not seeing the problem.
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Wow. And there is the problem. Seriously think about it. There are going to be people that want to 2h, and do the dps of, or close to that of, DW. It is inevitable.
Just because you cant see it doesnt mean anything other than you severely limit the scope of your thinking or concern to yourself in an MMO. Not really a good thing to do.
Threat of Thasarian. There have legitimately always been passives to alter spell values based on equipped weapon type for DK. There has never NOT been modification talents or passives to spells.
KM was on a fixed PPM until Legion, where it was changed to proc on crit.
They actually did, because depending on the patch, various frost builds and playstyles were viable, depending on your raidâs drops, and the patch. MoP flip flopped between the two. Itâs fine if one is stronger than the other on any given patch. There have always been passives, the passives have always functioned.
It did not alter spell values. All that it did was allow abilities to hit with both weapons.
KM was based on auto attacks, the more haste you had the more it would happen. It was not procs per minute, again procs per minute is used along with other factors to give you a % per hit.
MoP did not flop between the 2, in fact there were very few areas where 2h came out ahead. Highmaul being the one that most people point too.
Ok thatâs cool. Stay on the 2 brain cell class.
right, and in the other way people would keep asking for 2H, complaining they donât have the option.
the complaint would exist anyway, its inevitable, Do you rly care about complaining or just a selective and specific complaint? 
basically you prefer people complaining they donât have their weapon choice back, instead of complaining 2H is behind a litite bit in dps in the high content that not everyone does, and grant it, not everyone who will play 2H will complain about that.
At least, there is people, who donât care about mythic raids or high mythic keys, who will be happy with their choice, their gameplay became better, something the other way would not be possible.
Yet, i still fail to see why would you care of what people complaint or not, as far i know you do not work at blizzard, you are not a blizzard dev, neither responsible for the DK balance and fixing. the 2H complaining of 2H or Dw would not have a single matter for you, neither would affect you in the slightest
Or they actually do? youdonât want to see complaints in this regards in the forum cause they somehow hurt your sight? that would be sad
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Last I checked, altering the way a weapon hits a target is altering the spellâs values.
So here we are, you talk like you experienced MoP on a DK, but I look at your raid history and you donât have any raids cleared. Just when did you even play DK, and what gives you the grounds to make educated guesses on whatâs good and whatâs bad, because to be frank I think many of the claims youâre making in multiple threads are absolute nonsense.
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Its called empathy, sorry that you dont have it and cant put yourself in someone elses shoes.
I also dont want anyone to complain, and have stated several times that if Blizzard is going to do something then they shouldnt half way do it and address the actual issues. With this announcement they havent done that. And your guys little hype train being sore winners, at least winners in your eyes, might be short lived.
Its not my only death knight. This little narrative has been played out before, and it doesnt really end well for the person trying to pull it.
There are logs, guides out there, sims of the time and so on so someone doesnt have to play to have the information.
At least I dont tell people a tooltip is wrong when its the in game tooltip, and if I do and I end up being wrong, I admit it. And you want to pull this âdid you even play a dkâ argument.
I have a brain, therefore I can make educated guesses.
Post on your main. Iâm willing to be wrong.
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like the empathy you had with people wanting 2h? you prefer people not playing what they want as long you donât see people complaining about god know how little behind they are in dps, despite the first one being a big problem who affect way more people?
Again, before, there would be complaining regardless and there would be a lot of people sad because they canât play with 2H
At least now there is a lot of people who will be happy anyway, not just DKs monks too, even being behind, this alone is already a great win, no matter how you disregard, because apparently you have selective empathy, and you only care about people complaining about DPS, even when you donât do high end content anyway
âhey guys i have empathyâ 
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Where was I against 2h?
And apparently you dont know what empathy is.
i think i do a little
i rather have people happy playing the way they like(empathy for those) and get some people complaining about the 2H being 2% or 5% behind than people not being happy playing with something they donât like or forcing then to play another spec or class and having the same lv of complaining about how they dislike the class the way it is.
In the end, bringing back 2H made more people happy, then its the best and more emphatic solution
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This thread really shouldnât be derailed with even further arguments about 2h. The arguments are null, itâs returning. Weâll see how itâs being done in time.
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Just ignoring the other part of that post where I asked you where I said I was against 2h? Just ignoring that because I never said I was and you cant actually show it?
And you think you do a little? That means no.
Empathy means you can put yourself in other peoples position and look at a situation from their point of view.
Some people will be forced into playing something they dont want. Its not going to be 2-5% behind. Its going to be much more than that. You already lose 15% damage from razorice, and less KM procs, slower attack speed, no boost in damage from it being a 2h.
Thats has been my entire point and I have said it multiple times to you. If you are going to do something, do it right. Dont only put 2 lug nuts on your wheel when it requires 5.
Dont just lift weapon restrictions and wipe your hands with it thinking its going to solve anything. Wow people have an option but not really because it does much less damage, even when we introduced MotFW 2h was still 10% behind. I cant imagine anyone complaining about anything when they log in and compare damage between the 2 and find they arent even close.
Yeah, thats the best course of action, but the sad thing is, you wont even attempt to understand what I even said in this post.
Its not an argument about 2h. People have been saying to reserve a celebration because it might not be what people want.
But someone cant understand that.
Its exactly what a lot of people wanted, and thats why some of us ar commemorating, me included 
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Really? You guys got hard hitting obliterates back? Oh⌠wait⌠itâs just the ability to use a weapon at this point in time. And people are already looking at balance, some that just wanted the aesthetic.
Looks like I might actually be right again that one complaint is just replaced with another not actually making any steps forward.
My god these forums are petty. Itâs cool that 2h is coming back to frost. There are going to be changes coming to each spec. Instead of bickering about being right or going on a forum crusade just be excited for change and wait patiently to see how everything will be implemented.
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yah
perfect fine to me
looks like you are not right at all since we are just replacing a big problem to a little one while making a lot of people happy with a weapon choice they like coming back regardless.
Like i said its a win scenario anyway, i rather have some people happy with one problem, than no one happy at all with a big problem still. Maybe its blizzard idea too since they are bringing back
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