I really want a viable 2h build which uses Inexorable Assault and Obliteration… I want big crit build centered on huge obliteration crits.
Will i inex still exsist with however we get rank 2 of KM in shadowlands?
I think it will, the frost damage will just be added as extra to the hit though.
I like the idea of 2h frost coming back as a option, but I’m not sure how to keep it competitive in pve with dual wield, but I guess encreasing obliteration damage by 20-30% and possibly extra critical strike rating for 2h could keep it solid in pvp for massive burst.
The original deathknight starting quests only awarded two handers. that’s frankly all I need to know about it.
a great injustice to our spec has finally been reverted
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And it doesnt now… whats your point?
Probably that every class was supposed to be able to use 2H weapons from the get go.
I understood your point, and its a valid one.
Or it was leveling and it didn’t matter. Couldn’t pick up a lot of things while leveling in the first place since they were deep in the tree. You didn’t get howling blast in the starting area so it must not be intended for frost.
From the alpha forums
From Kalrell
I was asked by a DK in the community to do some rather extensive testing of auto attacking a target dummy for 12 minutes, with both Two Handed Weapon and Dual Wield Weapons for Killing Machine procs.
The results are in Youtube videos and couldn’t have been further apart.
Two Handed proced Killing Machine 22 times in 12 minutes.
Dual Wield proced Killing Machine 85 times in 12 minutes.
This is one of many many stumbling blocks that makes the split between weapon types an issue to be resolved.
Other 2H VS DW Issues include:
Runeforges:
This is the big one really. Dual Wield having two vs Two Handed having one.
Two Handed having to give up either 15% Strength from Fallen Crusader or 30% Frost Damage from a fully stacked Razorice is a big ask.
The additions of the new Runeforges is fun, however adds in the big question which ones ones should be tuned specifically for Dual Wielding or TwoHanding.
Also Runeforges like Razorice stack faster with faster auto attacks, favouring Dual Wield.
Talents:
The current set of talents massively favour Dual Wielding as they were clearly designed for a fast auto attacking class.
Runic Attenuation like Killing Machine seems like it would have a lower proc rate with a slow Two Hander.
Murderous Efficiency seems very questionable in a world where Two Hand gets 22 procs in the same time that Dual Wield gets 85.
The whole spec and every talent combo could be slowed down from the drought of resources caused by these talents under performing in Two Handed situations.
Frozen Pulse procs off auto attacks, with no PPM system so will gain many more damaging events using Dual Wield than Two Handed weapons.
Permafrost procs off auto attacks, so will gain more stacks of the absorb shield with Dual Wield, although Two Handed shields will be larger.
Hopefully this helps provide a jumping off point for a refresh of the Frost Talent tree.
None of that should matter because they don’t care about damage right? Not like I said KM procs more than doubled with dw, not like I said 2 runeforges are better than one when the damage is the same and I didn’t even really go into the talents.
Not sure why you assume every post is an attack on you?
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Posting in the wrong thread? How about go over to “It’s time… Frost Dk and 2 handed weapons” since thats all it has been with the past say 15-20 posts in there.
Ive even gotten in game mail thats an attack on me.
Can we just focus on the topic and not turn this into a thread on your sense of victimhood
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I was until the subject was changed to that. Why point at me when someone asked me the question changing what was being talked about? I didnt just all of a sudden say “you know what people just constantly attack me lets talk about that.”
I cant wait to see what DK updates are in the next alpha build to see if bliz has been listening to all the feedback
Hopefully there are updates to address razorice and KM
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There is a great couple of feedback posts in the DK alpha feedback forum. Hard to say if they had time to react and change too much already, but im really hopeful. Gotta thank Biceps and Kalrell for their work
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So it seems they tacked on 2h so far and I hope they give the talents a component to give 2h some help
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Yea. I have been keeping an eye on that. Has some great feedback.
Wish there was a forum for non alpha people to post suggests on an alpha class discussion forum.
Absolutely. Even if they prefer dw to 2h their work to improve and balance 2h is great to see. Huge respect and thumbs up to them!