Hey Kelliste, just want to give one quick correction: according to wowhead, KM now has 2 ranks: Rank1 is our live version of guaranteed crit, rank 2 adds the additional frost damage.
Seriously, the game is just now starting to have data mined from a super early alpha version. Can we try to be somewhat optimistic at this point⌠Everything doesnât have to be doom and gloom.
Solves the problem of Frostscythe, and Icecap I guess.
How is that doom and gloom exactly? it even has âsomewhat GOOD CHANGESâ in what you quoted. Meaning they arent great, explode your brain, awesome changes. But changes that end up being better than what we have.
For crying out loud its almost like you guys just want to have a confrontation.
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Thatâs fair, I take it back. Apologies.
OMG 2h back, watch blizz mess it up âŚ
After watching streams it seems like DW and 2H obliterates hit the same, the balancing is going to be a nightmare and it seems 1h will probably pull ahead unless they add a runeforge for 2h that has crusader and razorice in it.
Hmm, may have something to do with the fact I was rocking 2 ArP trinks.
It acted like another crit damage multiplier, once you got to 100% or higher (trinks) you got crazy high numbers. Old priority for ArP blood was hit-expertise-ArP-Crit-Haste. Because haste was so much more readily available for Frost ArP ended up being better for Frost even w/o Blood Gorge till Shadowmourne.
I say that because weâre nearly hard locked in Unholy and Frost for talent choices. You change one or two for Unholy, and one or two for Frost. That isnât because the talents we are locked into are too good in either spec, but because the other choices are so terrible. I have the feeling that a re organize would leave both specs weaker than they are now sans corruption/essences/azurite. An Overhaul would let the team address the dead talents in the tree and do a small shuffle at the same time, so that hopefully weâd come out better than we are now instead of worse.
Agreed, but clearly they had to do it so that people were forced breath builds. That isnât/wasnât reality; there were a lot of Frost players that hated being forced breath in Legion, but thatâs how the second Legion team/BFA team thought.
I have to give the talents a good read, I glossed over them this morning but it looks like there are going to be some major changes. Too early to tell but so far a few of my major gripes about Unholy and Frost have been addressed.
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I looked over the abilities and talents. For Frost there isnt that much. You might be seeing people say that 2h obliterate damage is 20% more than DW, but it isnt if you work out the math. Its 88.8% attack power / 1.48 for 2h and 60% attack power for DW, at least thats how it was put out there. Both come out to be the same numerical value, 60% attack power.
KM was addressed for me, so its not just giving a crit even though you crit regularly anyways. Makes it so obliterate also does frost damage, which is better for DW because of razorice.
They would still need to bring a 2h runeforge for frost or DW is going to be ahead.
Itâs not even razor ice; that new rune forge that gives 200% runic could out pace it depending on how Fallen Crusader is tuned. Either way DW has the advantage.
Major changes meaning that our priorities are going to be different, where and how we use Frost Scythe, Breath via the new rune forge, and the KM change. The notes look small but itâs going to be fairly impactful in actual play I think.
Thatâs how I read it too, and yeah people saying itâs 20% more are being obtuse. Thatâs not how math works.
I think they are just overlooking things to be honest. Just quickly skimming to find anything that looks good for 2h.
Ive done it with other things, just completely missed something that changes everything.
Iâve been pretty deep in D3 since 2014, I had some really really great theory craft teachers which Iâm grateful for. They all beat into me that you look at the total formula not a section to make sure you donât bias a 'craft or hypothesis or in game test.
I understand people getting excited, but I canât understand people not wanting to see something for what it actually is. The why is obvious, emotion but I donât really understand emotion having that sort of effect on a sober, sane and intelligent person. Never have, but hopefully one day I will.
On topic it will be interesting to see where they go with 2h. This is really early stuff. Hopefully they do something to make it competitive with 2h.
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What runeforge are you talking about?
I see where death strike will do more damage with DW over Unholy and Blood 46.4256% of attack power + 29.835% attack power while Unholy and Blood just does 46.4256% of attack power.
Is it a new alpha build already or something?
Nevermind I found it. Looks like some might be good, like say if you can kill things and keep killing having the 10% haste buff would be good, if anything lasts any amount of time however Fallen Crusader would be better. Might have to get a lot of weapons so you can swap stuff around based on the situation. Its a possibility at least.
Well, guess itâs time to hang up the mantle of Blood across the last 4 years and get back to my roots.
Cannot wait to get back to some long missed PvPâŚ
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Iâll toss a coin to my Licher.
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So when I canceled my sub I had been feeling cheeky and in their why did you quit box said it was because 2H frost still hadnât returned. Naturally I take full credit for this, youâre welcome.
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My heart 
Suffer well brother 
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Oi real quick, i know you have fought hard for this, been in every tread debating for it to come back. I dont agree with every argument you make but our end goal (getting 2h back) was always the same. Just wanted to say thanks and great Job man. I know you wanted this and worked for it!
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Now we have to fight for them to make it good. The fight continues!!
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