We can ally with genocidal demons...but not forgive Arthas?

[Tovi-moon-guard (Tovi)]

@Killerfrost-grobbulus

Garrosh was the only one who had no regrets in what he was doing.

I never like Garrosh until SLs.

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

@Tovi-moon-guard

I never like Garrosh until SLs.

He was a little tightly wound but if you needed to win a battle he got it done.

[Gutshredda-zuljin]

So… what you are saying is… Purple Wedding him.

Operation TimeWhimey Joffrey is a GO!

[Gutshredda-zuljin]

@Brewa-hyjal

“Do you even KNOW how many people were on the Death Star when you destroyed it?” they asked him.

All those innocent janitors who lost their lives that day.

[Tovi-moon-guard (Tovi)]

Yeah but he didn’t like tauren so he could never be truly awesome while he was alive.

[Fostracize-frostwolf]

@Tiffany-ravencrest

How so?

Sylvanas “I will never serve” serving the Jailor in the most obvious ploy possible. Ridiculous.

Arthas, the Lich King, arguably the most popular character in WoW history, in the afterlife. Tons of potential and possibilities, completely ignored and turned into a blue puff of anima. Baffling.

Unforgivable.

[Pinköcean-wyrmrest-accord]

Because he hurt Sylvana’s feelings.

[Torvald-area-52]

@Brewa-hyjal

You mean that Garrosh never grew up finally came to the surface and he was showing what an arrogant fool he was, who couldn’t form a coherent thought?

People act like Garrosh was some kid.

Garrosh was older than Thrall.

The other characters treated him like a child, because he acted like a child. Up until the day he was finally put out of our misery.

Yes, that Garrosh. Though there were aspects in the game that barely got attention that put a better spin on his thought process. Quests where you see orcs talking about how pre-Garrosh being in charge, Thrall basically was fine with the orcs living in destitution and hardship.

I also got the sense that Garrosh’s anger wasn’t just that he had been put in charge, but that Thrall didn’t even stick around to help as an advisor.

This is not to say that I think Garrosh was good or didn’t have clumsy aspects of his writing. Just that his story, in general, was one of the better things the MMO did, in large part because it highlighted the idea that Garrosh cared about the orcs’ plight specifically, while Thrall cared about the world generally. A lot more could have been done with it, and it’s a bummer the writers didn’t plow it better.

Still, at least it was something the MMO could claim as its own. So often the only high points the MMO could offer were just nostalgia plays on characters only meaningfully developed through the RTS.

@Brewa-hyjal

Garrosh tried to MURDER Thrall and take over the Horde at the end of Burning Crusade.

Why do people always forget that?

Admittedly, I don’t know if some random novel or comic tie-in changed the tone of events, but in the game at least it was portrayed that under Thrall the Mak’gora had become a non-lethal fight. The dialogue during the in-game event didn’t make it seem like Garrosh even thought he would be warchief if he won, just that he would would win a contest of honor after he felt like Thrall insulted his dad.

The manner in which they get along right afterwards implies this too - it wouldn’t really make sense for Thrall to remain so chummy with Garrosh if he thought Garrosh had just tried to murder him and take over the Horde.

[Pinköcean-wyrmrest-accord]

@Tiffany-ravencrest

Sylvanas conned Tyrande into throwing her back into the briar patch … oh excuse me … the Maw, where she can chill in her Torghast condo until it’s time for her to return.

“Getting sent to hell after losing everything is actually a win!” is definitely a take.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Torvald-area-52

I also got the sense that Garrosh’s anger wasn’t just that he had been put in charge

Garrosh wasn’t angry because of anything.

He’s just angry. Like a rabid squirrel, except dumber.

[Tovi-moon-guard (Tovi)]

Well, she’s undead. The Maw’s probably great for her.

[Pinköcean-wyrmrest-accord]

@Tovi-moon-guard

Well, she’s undead. The Maw’s probably great for her.

Its the afterlife, everyone’s “Undead” lol

[Ricros-bleeding-hollow]

@Gigabear-suramar

However, during Shadowlands we learned that Arthas Menethil was pretty much mind controlled into performing all of his heinous deeds.

No that isn’t true.

There is a stay a while and listen scene in Oribos where Calia even states that the choices Arthas made were his own.

[Tovi-moon-guard (Tovi)]

Yeah but she’s like a Forsaken DK. Deader than dead.

So again she’s probably right at home in the Maw.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Ricros-bleeding-hollow

There is a stay a while and listen scene in Oribos where Calia even states that the choices Arthas made were his own.

Calia is an out-of-luck socialite hopping from estate to estate spinning her long-expired society credentials for another night’s lodging and some cheap caviar.

She’d spin whatever tales she’d need to in order to stay off the street for just one more day.

[Ricros-bleeding-hollow]

Okay well if you don’t want to listen to Calia, Steve Danuser himself confirmed an interview that Arthas was never being mind controlled.

[Sargeras-stormrage]

I apologize if my previous show of remorse didn’t touch the hearts of the rest of the Alliance denizens as much as it did Velen.

I’ve been advised to provide an “uwu” to show a deeper level of remorse. Uwu.

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Ricros-bleeding-hollow

Okay well if you don’t want to listen to Calia, Steve Danuser himself

Well, I’ll give you bonus points for finding somebody even less believable than Calia.

[Zerde-sargeras (Zerde)]

Conspiracy time, the reason is because Arthas has, rightly or wrongly is considered by some as an allegorical sexual abuser.

And considering Blizzard’s past forgiving him became untenable without making the company look worse. So even if people who cause genocide get a second chance, Arthas doesnt get said chance.

[Ricros-bleeding-hollow]

He is the lead narrative designer. And what’s w/ hatred for him?

SL wasn’t all his fault. He was merely trying to work with the scraps that Alex Afrasiabi had left.