We are not bots. Please don't treat us like them

I should have been more specific in my message stating that I 100% agree with the limit on Raid lockouts per week , because it makes sense in terms of the natural progression of the game. We both know what it would be like it everyone could run unlimited BWL’s per week prior to the launch of AQ40 in the Future. There has to be a gate on gear.

The problem I have is Blizzard hiding this instance cap behind the facade of a “fight against bots” when anyone with a half functioning brain knows that all it’s going to do is make botters create more accounts, hence increasing the Sub count and netting them more profit. It is a brilliant business decision but trying to play it of as an act of service to the average paying customer is laughable.

When we had nothing but DM and MC, a lot of the BiS gear came from dungeons. Almost every single Warrior is STILL using Hand of Justice.

If you want my opinion, I think there should be a 210 instance cap weekly instead of daily. I’m obviously not a developer but this seems like a good compromise to me.

They didn’t hide it behind just fighting bots though.

So you feel like the fact that HoJ is still a BiS item for 1 class in the game is a concrete reason to make an instance cap per day, and you also feel as though this is Blizzard’s thought process behind doing it? Otherwise that statement has no meaning

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It was an example, you said there has to be a gate on gear in a thread arguing against a dungeon cap because people can’t farm their gear in one day.

You are beating around the bush, I’ll give you a blanket statement then and say Blizzard made this instance cap because classes were farming their BiS blue items from dungeons in one day, and that’s why Blizzard instated the instance cap. Would you say that is a valid statement?

It seems like people have been abusing dungeon resets to make an intentionally rare item less rare than it should be.

Oh well…

This argument is going to go in circles. You said the comparison between raid locks isn’t valid because there has to be a gate on gear.

I factually stated that a lot of powerful gear, especially pre-BWL, came from instances you could farm without limit. I’m saying that particular reason is flawed, heavily.

There is a distinct difference between a couple of items that can be farmed in Dungeons still being considered BiS and full sets of gear you can farm out of raids. I know you understand this

  • For the record I have never farmed in Dungeons, so this change doesn’t effect me at all, I made all the gold I have mining in Silithus, I just think it’s ridiculous people can’t recognize Blizzard is trying to force Botters to make more accounts rather than deal with them in the first place*

The 5 instance limit was in vanilla and it was a hard limit, excluding pvp battlegrounds.

(for reference - Retail has a soft cap of 10 and you can do 1 more instance per hour. You can also do as many LFR/LFD+PvP as you want without a cap.)

Yes it makes botters level more accounts…

To do the same amount of botting one account used to do before this change they now need 3 more accounts with 3 more level 60s OR they have to level up 4 characters on different servers every time their account gets banned. When one of their accounts is banned it takes them 4x the investment rather than just one single account to bot the same amount one character could do before the change.
If they’d increase the ban waves to weekly then I really think this would stop a lot of the botting. Sure people will do it but once it becomes too long to setup for the price they’re paying it no longer is profitable to bot mass accounts anymore.
This is an absolutely amazing change to combat botters, and before anyone just talks about me being a warrior I farm on a 60 mage to provide for my warrior.

TLDR: 3x as much required to do same amount of botting 1 character could do now assuming they have 1 level 60 account already. Would take 4 accounts to hit the same amount 1 account could do before.

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Do you believe the false narrative that bots make Activision-Blizzard tons of money and “old” Blizzard would NEVER do something like this?

What makes you believe Botters don’t make Activision-Blizzard “tons of money”?

Is it because a Blizzard employee posted on the forums telling you they pay for most of their accounts with stolen credit cards? What proof of this has been shown and how is more valid than any other person coming on here saying they are all purchased by legitimate reasons? Does the blue text make you speak the truth?

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Anyone with half a brain realizes that it is not solely bots that are ruining the game.

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If you were speaking as a representative of a multi-billion dollar corporation and constantly lying about something like that, do you not think there would be a large number of former employees heading off to the gaming media to spill the dirt about Blizzard and their lies?

They have consistently been explaining why bots cost them a ludicrous amount of money for over a decade. The reasoning they gave behind this daily limit is the same reasoning they gave behind the hourly limit back in 2007.

I will admit I don’t know the reasoning why they made the hourly limit in 2007. This is why I’m glad we can have a mature conversation, most arguments on these forums would have resorted to insults by now.

But I do pose the question if you were a former employee of a prestigious gaming corporation like Activision-Blizzard if you would potentially compromise future employment opportunities by speaking out against your former employer, and betraying their trust.

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Tseric
Blue Poster
#7 - 2007/04/03 10:55:05 PM

The limit is four new instances per hour. This is to limit excessive restarting and farming or “flipping” of an instance, primarily by gold sellers.

https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/16282-entered-too-many-instances-recently/

I’m sure of the thousands of former employees, one of them would be willing to speak the truth and maybe make a few dollars in the process. I believe Vrakthris and the other CS employees. I believe them because they’ve been consistent for over a decade; their job is literally to help people with their problems.

They have far too much to lose to be consistently lying for over 13 years in Vrakthris’ case.

Fair enough, At this point we are just voicing our opinions in different context over and over. I cannot prove myself to be right obviously, as I was just conveying my thoughts in this thread. We view the corporation in a different way and most likely we are both incorrect and the real answer is somewhere in the middle, as the truth usually is

Going to leave these couple threads I made to perhaps convince you that I’m not a Blizzard “White Knight” like you accused me of being:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/blizzards-lack-of-communcation-is-pitiful/555534

That was probably not an appropriate term to call you, I respect anyone that can form their own thoughts and then convey them in a mature way.

I thought I was posting on my Classic Character this whole time, but it turns out I wasn’t. I respect your opinion and do apologize for insulting you, at the end of the day we can only speculate as no one knows Blizzard’s true intentions

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