Most of you I would assume will never bot.
My account is ~15 years old. I feel like an account that’s sufficiently old or maybe some other criteria would be enough to whitelist the 30 instance a day restriction.
If the goal really is to stop the bots then there should be some way for us to whitelist our accounts because it shouldn’t matter if legitimate players are farming 10, 12, 16 or 18 hours a day as long as they are the ones doing the clicking and not robots.
6 hours sounds like a lot, but when you have all of saturday off and you want to farm an SGC because your raid is on sunday that’s a legitimate farm. And 6 hours is a very small amount of time to farm an SGC. I already have it so it doesn’t affect me, but this is huge for someone who doesn’t. Let’s do the math for a second.
SGC has about a 7% drop rate off Gorosh
Gorosh doesn’t spawn every instance. His spawn rate is about 10%.
In order to see SGC BOTH of these events have to happen. So we multiply them.
0.10 * 0.07 = 0.7% drop chance per run
Using probability we can come up with a confidence percentage which will tells us the CHANCE that we will see the item at LEAST once after a given number of trials.
So, if you do the arena 200 times there is a ~75% chance that you will see SGC once. Not great. That means that, on average, 1 out of every 4 warriors will need to reset BRD over 200 times.
These resets only take roughly 10 minutes and could probably be quicker. Farming for 12 hours is extreme, but that’s part of what makes wow so great. If you want to take your time with it you can and if you want to go all in and farm that one piece out for hours upon hours you can do that too. You are in control of your own destiny. This change just goes against that. It feels like the fatigue system enforced on Chinese players where if they play too long they get reduced experience and loot.
Vanilla wow never even used to have a 5 instance per hour lockout.
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Yeah. Whitelist it for accounts with authenticators.
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I still have my physical authenticator hanging next to my monitor, think they stopped making them in favor of the bnet app? If just having it enabled allows you to whitelist then I imagine it would be pretty easy to set them up even for bot accounts.
Or they could make the login require an authenticor input every 7 days since (apparently) the majority of bot characters are on stolen accounts.
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You are talking nonsense. Pure and utter nonsense.
Sure, if the game KNOWS which players are bots, there can be different rules for bots and players.
But if the game KNOWS which players are bots, it can eliminate bots. So clearly the game CANNOT know which players are bots. We all know that.
So it is IMPOSSIBLE to do what you are asking.
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They could add a whitelist for accounts over 6 months old. That’s not a bad idea.
It might actually be worth while to farm up the Blue PVP chest and Legs, not even kidding. I dont know for warriors but for rogues the 2 pc pvp bonus is so damn good.
There was just a big ban wave of flagged accounts for botting. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
It isn’t that it’s impossible. It’s that they don’t WANT to do it. Ban waves should happen weekly.
Imagine if you were being paid 15 bucks a month by 200 people and half of them were bots. If you banned them all you’d go from $3000 a month to $1500 a month. Blizzard has a conflict of interest.
SGC is overrated and this instance lock likely slows down 1% of the people actually farming it.
This might make the cap less effective against bots if a significant fraction of bots are hosted on compromised accounts. I’m sure there’s a way to make a whitelist, but this isn’t it.
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Yeah, but that’s not really the point though is it. The point is that we’re all paying $15 a month and part of what we’re paying for is a healthy server environment free from being overwhelmed by bots. Those 1% of people pay their sub just like everybody else does. And if it’s not SGC then it’s mage farming, or druid’s going for their mace. This will also affect future expansions. You’ll be limited to 30 baron mount runs a day. And you may say “Well that’s a lot” and it is, but the point is that there shouldn’t be a restriction at all. Stand up for your fellow players because one day some other issue will come up and 99% of players won’t be affected by it but you will be. We have to stand up for each other.
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Is your primary argument against the limit or the fact that it wasn’t part of Vanilla?
The limit. But both are true. I wouldn’t want this in retail either. The 5 instance per hour limit is the thing we really should be talking about. It was done sometime in wrath I think for technical reasons. Neither of these limits are a design philosophy like with 1 week lockouts on high quality gear.
I wouldn’t bother trying to have a constructive discussion with Delimicus regardless of your opinion. He constantly white knights for Blizzard in every thread where a legitimate concern is brought forward. Why should paying customers be limited in the amount of content they can consume in a day? Of course Blizzard has every right to determine this as per their terms of service but does that make it right? and where should one draw the line on how much an “acceptable” amount of time to play in a single day is, everyone has different circumstances and varying amounts of disposable time on their hands
https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/39190-you-have-entered-too-many-instances-recently/
2006/09/03 06:29:30 AM
While waiting for friends to arrive I was going in and out of an instance and pickpocketing to pass the time. Then after a few times I couldnt get back in the instance, and I got a message saying “you have entered too many instances lately”. How long does this last?
Bots are not the only things they want to prevent. It is not the botting, but the DAMEGE that botting does that they want to battle. “Real” players cause the same damage by abusing the instance resets to amass ridiculous levels of gold, with virtually zero meaningful gold sinks to take that gold back out of the economy. Those who are griping the most and loudest are doing as much damage to the server economies as bots. They are just not automated.
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If your primary argument is that limits shouldn’t exist, then that standard should be applied to all instance and raid limits.
Unless of course double standards are your thing, or your actual argument is “it wasn’t in Vanilla!” In that case, your “limit” argument is just an excuse.
I’ve already addressed this and why the two are different. Read.
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I’m not even responding to you, read.
The 5 runs per hour was added in vanilla. It was partly because of performance issues but also because of the issues that spamming resets was causing in game.
The outrage was just as much then, with just as much “ZOMG the game is ruined”, and then it proved to be just fear mongering with no real substance, same thing now.
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Yep, the 5 instance per hour limit was put in for the same reason the 30 instance per day limit was just put in.
Gold sellers.
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