Yes, and then many of the players who would be making great Arcane logs would be making great Fire logs instead. And then it compares average Arcane players to great Fire players. However, this assumes that they are great at both specs. I imagine, though, that the people who can make 99 Arcane parses could make at least 90 Fire parses.
My biggest issue with this thread is that thereâs actually a good conversation going on - but I has NOTHING to do with Ralphâs assertions.
The MVP is right to a great extent:
-You need to determine your goals
-You need to find people that have similar goals
In Classic WoW, for example, there are definitely meme specs that some people just REALLY want to play; e.g., Ret Palladin and Boomkin. At the same time, they also know that a) finding a raid spot will be more difficult, and b) They are never going to do strong DPS.
Ultimately, you have to be a mature individual, recognize your strengths and weakness, and if you insist on something much weaker, be willing to also accept there will be issues when you seek out others.
Whatâs so strange in Ralphâs case is that he seems to want to be treated as if heâs on par with an optimized spec, even though he isnât. Worse, instead of seeking out an environment where he would be accepted, he gets mad at various people, who are seeking more optimized specs, dislike him not playing that way.
Also, itâs strange that anyone, casual, competetive, or elitist, thinks being a burden is perfectly fine. It can be fine, when people know they are carrying you, but like taking you anyway, but to expect this from everyone is strange.
Lastly, I want to defend Preach, specifically when he says âI donât understand why people would disagreeâ because heâs saying he wants exactly what the OP wants: for all specs to be viable and balanced so everyone can just play what they want for fun. Indeed, how could anyone disagree with this notion? Isnât that exactly what Ralph wants: so he can use whatever spec, talent, and convenant set-up he wants, without people seeing it as inferior?
But again, so much of Ralphâs problem is refusing to recognize being inferior while being surprised others see him as inferior while simultaneously doing nothing to seek out a group of people that will accept how he plays!!!
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Killing Mythic Nzoth literally required 9 immunes (10 was preferential) when it came out.
So⌠the raid did demand you play certain specs? Uh oh!
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That does not matter.
What matters is that should do a faster job with number balance. Doing a better job is fine and all, but they really need to be faster with tweaks.
Thatâs not how the data is accumulated?
https://www.wowmeta.com/shadowlands/dps-rankings
Here you can see that enh shamans are doing literally 50% of the damage of Sub Rogues, when averaged across all logs for completed boss kills.
This is nowhere close to BfAâs disparity, which is at most 30%.
Now, thereâs obviously a larger sample size for Nya, but itâs still a significant matter for concern.
It can get even worse when you break down by specific fights, though considering some fights have only 1 log, or 20 or so, Iâm wary to get into that. The overall average is what worries me.
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Ahh, I see. Sorry, I was mainly talking about the 8.3 results after people have calculated the meta and switched specs. However, if the 9.0 results are the true values, I expect the reported difference to be more than 50% down the road (if there were no changes) because few competitive people will be playing enhancement.
It is definitionally true that you are burdensome if you choose a suboptimally performing spec. The degree of burden is determined by the degree of subpar performance.
It is up to you to define to what point you are comfortable being burdensome vs. how much you enjoy the class or spec in question. But donât pretend to yourself that you arenât choosing to be a burden if you knowingly pick a badly performing spec; you are just making the collective decision between you and the people you are playing with that that is ok within the context of your group, as every group does to a given degree.
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In fairness, I expect the gap to close before launch, but itâs still not a good spot for an expansion that was supposed to launch in two weeks.
I do find it interesting that Retribution Paladin (the spec that spawned Ralphâs whole thing) isnât even towards the bottom â itâs almost dead in the middle â and even thatâs seen as a âburden.â Same for WW.
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Ah yes, because clearly everyone is playing with world first raiders that will reach that maximum spec potential and will not be seeing the usual sight of player with underperforming spec topping the dps meters because in reality, we dont play with world first raiders and skill has always mattered a lot more.
Hating elitists, 1 %, Min/maxers, and Preach is the new progressive thinking in GD 
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This is a false equivalence.
At every level of play, relative strength of spec matters to performance, as well as skill. The fact that skill matters does not mean that strength of spec does not matter. Your total output is an amalgamation of skill, spec, and circumstance. Each of these aspects can be addressed individually. If you are a high skill player playing a low performing spec, you will do well relative to other players playing that spec, but you are still choosing to be burdensome relative to what you could be contributing.
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Is he still infamous due to his LFR is trash video?
Relax, he now doesnât mind LFR.
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Good guy Preach 
This attitude says everything
And then you wonder why people call people with such toxic mentalities elitists and tryhards.
If you are playing a sub optimal class with the sub optimal loadout, it makes the run less efficient. Most people appreciate efficiency. Some people just want to relax and have some fun and donât mind a slight loss in efficiency.
If you prefer to choose the loadout you like, there are many guilds that are happy to have you. If you want to play with top guilds, you are required to be optimal. There is room in the game for everyone.
The youtubers are not the bad guys. They are simply stating what they would like for their style of play. The devs will make content for everyone, just as they always have.
Have you considered making youtube videos yourself? Perhaps highlighting the talent combinations that are fun for you?
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What about your attitude where you keep lying about what Preach said so you can continue spamming the forums?
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Hey, Pally, even Ret is not a troll they have uses in the raids as seen with the world first guilds bringing them!
Honestly when you are solo play what you want always. The difference is group content is based on cooperation. If you donât want to play as the group needs you too then do not join the group.
Not really. Itâs a few clear trolls who post on multiple alts in an effort to make it appear there is real support for this in the playerbase.
Most people donât care about how others play the game.
Does Ralph believe what he says or he just like to stir up the forums? I could never read this guy.