No, because I don’t just run around the world without achieving anything. I pick herbs, I mine nodes, I complete quests. There is a lot of mounting and dismounting that by the time I reach the water, chances are that I’ve already remounted a few seconds ago after picking the last herb or mining the last node or completing the last quest.
How you interact with the open game world is a lot like how you perform in raids or dungeons with a specific build. You can certainly use any build you like, but there are certain builds that will always perform better and to not use it, especially if you play in a competitive or even semi-competitive way, would be putting yourself at a disadvantage, sometimes so much of one that you are actively hurting your raid. Going back to the topic, it’s not a choice if the rewards (time saved, convenience) are far too lucrative compared to simply not using it. Because at the end of the day, we all (or most of us) have a limited time to play and we all want to get the most done in the least amount of time possible.
So, why can’t you just mount up on the bug when you know you’re near water, and use a mount you like the rest of the time? Sounds like, with all that mounting and dismounting, you have plenty of opportunity to use other mounts, you just choose not to.
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Because I do a lot of herbing for sea stalks for strength potions and that, unfortunately, is next to the sea so I’m spending a lot of my time out in the world crossing waterways.
Sure it’s a choice. By using the bug for its convenience and efficiency, you’re making a choice and rejecting alternate options that you find less desirable. Nothing wrong with that. That doesn’t mean you still don’t have the option to be a bit less efficient and use alternate mounts.
Me, I don’t do current dungeons and raids or pvp. I find those activities stressful and very unfun, and since I play this game to have fun, I simply opt out of those activities even though that means that my characters are slower to get gear and will never be as well geared as someone who does that end game content. I make the choice to play in a way that’s less efficient but more fun for me, and I accept the consequences of that choice. By no means would I ever argue that I should have gear as good or get gear as fast as the folks doing that other content, nor would I ever wish their gear to be nerfed simply because I choose an alternate play style.
That’s exactly what you’re doing, however. You’re saying that your gameplay style and your time is more valuable than mine and that I should lose functionality that I enjoy so that you can benefit. I, on the other hand, feel that both gameplay styles should be valid, especially since there are ways that this system could have been implemented to satisfy both parties.
Edited to fix typo. Doh!
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It’s almost as if devs don’t think of the game on a continuum beyond how to lead to the next raids. Like they thought “hey! Let’s give them mount equipment!” and much later someone remembered “Ack! What will we do with those striders?” But there were reputation story lines around getting those mounts and they shouldn’t assume any more then we should. Not everyone clears the slate between expacs.
How can you say that after you already quoted and acknowledged the part where I conceded that allowing water striders to retain their water walking functionality if they cannot equip another equipment slot is a good compromise?
Of the two of us, I’m the only one that agreed to the other person’s proposition, yet I’m the one that is saying my gameplay style and time is more important than others? Weird, but okay. Though I’m not entirely surprised.
Is your memory that short?
I’ll even quote your acknowledgement:
I’m also done here. You’re not arguing in good faith.
Casts Water Walking on themself
What?
Because it seemed like you went back to your previous stance in your reply after that when you brought up the subject of feeling like you didn’t have any other choices except to use the water strider. I was replying to that post, not your former one. Your former post I had already addressed. No need to quote me; my memory is fine. It’s you who seems to be waffling between viewpoints. Glad that’s not the case and that you do see that there’s room for compromise being neglected by The Powers That Be.
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until they remove that because people complain that you can use the barding and cast water walking! How unfair! 
I mean, Blood DKs also get both water walking and no dazing on their mount, so hey, looks like Shamans are top dog now!
I lied, I am not done.
I was talking about the philosophy of choices. I can agree with your compromise while still disagreeing with what a choice means.
I’m done now.
Enlighten me, then. How do you define the word “choice”? I’m really not trying to argue. I genuinely don’t understand this viewpoint. I can think of very few circumstances in which there is literally not any choice at all. There may be one choice that’s preferable to others, or a choice that’s only a bit less bad than others, but there’s still a choice.
Right now, I’m planning to make the choice to reject the water walking equipment entirely and use water walking potions combined with anti stun equipment instead. Blizzard can take water walking away from my water strider, but if I use a potion, I can double up on effects on any mount I want. Will it be less efficient? Sure. It’s still an option and I’m feeling contrary and stubborn and I have alchemists on both factions. ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
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I do not understand this. If you are Level 35 or higher, you can take an Elixir of Water Walking and you and any mount that carries you can walk on water for its 10-minute duration. I did this lots while looking for fishing pools along the shore of Darkmoon Island before I got my Water Strider and the Anglers Fishing Raft.
Yes, if you take damage, the effect is lost, but that is also true if you get hit while astride the Water Strider and get dismounted. So I’m not at all sure why this proposed change is an improvement. Or were they planning to remove the Elixir from the game or make it not work while mounted?
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Here’s a thought for developers… stop making zones with water everywhere and then you wouldn’t have to worry about such a silly thing.
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I can’t wait till taliessin reads these.
“And what better way to express their excitement for this new addition to the game than to express those feelings on the forms where people came together to praise Blizzard for listening to player feedback and implement a feature they have been asking for and no, it was a **** show, obviously”
If it were me:
You’d have a ‘saddle’ equipment slot on your character, next to trinkets. Give it relic slots like our artifact weapons in legion, maybe have different saddles available which one could swap out for specific uses. Low levels get a green to put there, mid-levels, blue, etc, all the way up to a gold-named “Artifact Saddle”
You can ignore it, or put something there that you can equip with a variety of items. Special stirrips, special pommel, special reins, … which have a variety of minor bonuses like:
- slight speed improvement
- slight falling damage reduction
- 1-2 extra seconds while running on water before you get slowed down
- improved jump height/distance
- reduced chance of getting dazed/stunned
- slight reduction in mount-up casting speed
- slight chance to stay mounted while using combat abilities
- chance to stay mounted while interacting with objects
- chance to mount WHILE IN COMBAT (with a 3x cast-time penalty)
Minor relics, obviously having ‘chance’ not 100% benefit, with that chance improving as the quality of the relics you deploy improve.
Artifact/Legendary level relics having a 100% chance to bestow their bonus.
Make relics purchasable, crafted, quest rewards, achievement rewards… and mix it up.
Anyway, that’s how I’d have done it. Make it an item we can invest as little or as much effort into developing as we like, with a couple of reasonable alt-friendly empowering rewards (like making certain relics available as heirlooms once unlocked/earned)
Bolded words are mine.
Time - Nothing they have done so far is increasing their /timeplayed metrics apparently. Despite being told over and over and over and over AND OVER AGAIN that the majority of players would like to see QUANTITY as well as quality of CONTENT, they have continued to create only for the elite few who participate in their tournaments. I’ve said it before and I will say it again (and again until either we get a new team or it gets through SOMEONE’S thick skull), ESports was the WORST THING THAT HAPPENED TO WOW. It’s a ROLE PLAYING GAME, not a competitive game and it has been since launch. At best, PvP could be argued as competitive, but that’s about it. Newsflash: Most people who pay to play this type of game, do so TO HAVE FUN - to enjoy the content, relax, spend time with friends/family, etc. Most people who pay to play this type of game do NOT do so in order to spend their off-work hours WORKING. **Please note the use of “MOST” and not the use of “ALL” when referencing players.
Secondly gold - seriously, are there THAT many players with millions of gold on EACH of their active characters? Billions of gold on their accounts? Do we REALLY need ANOTHER gold sink in addition to the half-million gold/million plus gold mounts that are on the vendors? (Please don’t shoot me if I’m wrong about the million plus one, I recall that amount of gold being tossed about during Alpha/Beta & don’t know if it went live with that price tag.) Not to mention, why is it SO important for you to take our gold away? Perhaps some players ENJOY being Galliwix in-game, perhaps others enjoy grinding mats/patterns/armors/rare items to sell for gold, I know that there are some who really enjoy “playing the AH” to make gold - My point is, if we’re working for gold because we want to, WHY do you want to take it away???
Um no, please re-read the post. “The Strider’s innate ability to walk on water is being removed. Because of the dominance of Water Strider, they are removing its ability to walk on water according to T&E.” Copy-pastaed directly from WoWHead.
Say what? The Water Strider has a specific purpose and does not “lock” me into using it, unless I wish to traverse water. I have my favorite “really cool mounts” tagged as such & use the mount button to randomly choose one for me. My Strider has its own slot in the toolbar, for when I need to walk on water. I actually HATE using it on land, to be honest. I change mounts when I’m done crossing the water and while you can now point this out to me & say “Now you won’t have to!” I will simply respond that I DO like how the Strider moves on the water. I thought it was awesome when I first saw it & I still like it now. That’s why I spent so much time grinding for it.
Don’t give them any ideas!!!
Here’s the thing though, if they give us the slot for mounts without special innate abilities (the Strider has a special innate ability) and leave the Strider ALONE, you still get what you want! You can put water-walking on any mount you choose (or ALL of them if you have the gold!) and those who don’t mind using the “ugly bug” for traversing water can still do so. It’s a win-win for everyone!
Not that I am in any way, shape or form defending Pathfinder because I am NOT, but no I don’t think they did that. They seriously wanted to remove flight altogether from WoD forward but gave in due to the massive outrage of the players BUT that “giving in” was in the form of Pathfinder which the playerbase hates as much as the thought of having flight removed. They are punishing us for wanting to keep flight in the game.
Actually, from the way it’s written, the Water Walking Shoes will NOT be crafted but will need to be purchased from the Anglers’ vendor. The Parachute & Daze Protection items will be crafted, likely by Engineers & Blacksmiths.
In theory, that’s EXACTLY what’s supposed to happen. By and large however, especially during the last 3 expansions, we test, we provide feedback and NOTHING changes. Incidentally, that’s ALSO how Alpha/Beta have worked for a VERY long time so every time you feel like ranting that the Beta testers didn’t do their job, please refer back to this comment. The developers decide how or what they are going to do, give it to us to test, (apparently) only read feedback relating to what was broken when the new code was implemented, (apparently) decide to fix only what THEY decide is game-breaking prior to release & then release the content. As far as this particular WoWHead article though, they are summarizing the video they linked in their article.
And for those who keep insisting that we won’t have to pay for the shoes because we get a freebie - We get ONE free pair. After that, we must purchase them for alts who do not have the rep to purchase them or are too low level to safely get to the vendor. The equipment slot unlock is account-wide, not the actual equipment.
Finally, because we apparently also have people here who do not understand the word “choice” : “an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities. See also option, alternative, possibility”. You DO have a choice as to whether or not you use the Strider mount right now - You can swim, you can use a Potion of Water Walking, you can bribe/beg/pay/or just nicely ask a shaman for a buff, you can farm on a Shaman or DK. You may feel as if you are forced because you choose not to entertain other options, but you are in no way forced to use that mount. Each of you that has responded in a manner that says, “I’m glad they’re removing that mount’s special ability because now I can CHOOSE which mount to ride on water!” appears to be failing to realize that KEEPING the Strider’s special ability while ALSO adding the equipment slot to the non-special mounts gives EVERY PLAYER choice, rather than the select few who do not like the Strider mount’s appearance. A mount with special innate abilities (such as the Strider) should remain unchanged & unaffected by the special mount equipment. Win-Win for ALL players.
Also, I think it’s unfair to claim that the players who are angry over the removal of the Striders’ special ability are angry because they worked hard to obtain the mount. While I’m sure that is actually the case for some people, it’s not the case for all. I’m upset because I grinded Anglers rep during MoP SPECIFICALLY TO PURCHASE A MOUNT THAT COULD WALK ON WATER - I’d have grinded that rep at some point anyway because (with the exception of PvP and competitive raiding) I’m a little bit of a completionist & I want all my reps to Exalted. Except for that one, y’all know who I’m talking about 
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Finally (for real this time 
) , I do think it’s important for everyone to take a step back from the “I won’t be forced to use a mount I hate! vs. Why remove the functionality, just make it so the equipment won’t work like the other mounts” battle to look at the REAL issue here. This equipment will no longer work after B4A - while this IS an assumption, it does have a very strong past experience to support it. When all is said and done, once the next expansion launches, we will no longer have options other than potion, Shaman buff or grouping with a DK to walk on water. THIS is why we need to push the devs NOT to take the innate water-walking ability from the Striders.
Apologies for the wall of text & thank you to all who actually read it. I probably shouldn’t respond to threads I have strong feelings about when I’m tired.
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I’m sure this will make the world feel bigger?
And that should have been posted by THIS character - WHY does the forum change my avatar when I log back in again???!!!