you used to like doing it but now that a token exists you magically stopped liking it? makes sense.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Why would I care if people buy a boost? I may as well, should the mood strike.
what are you buying in game with that token money that players canât buy that donât buy the token?
Insults do not effect my awareness, regardless if I toss them or someone tosses them at me.
For what itâs worth I apologize for the insult, it wasnât even an attempt to be insulting. Just flipping the same word you keep using.
Oh ok cool, weâre on the same page. Itâs totally worth the time investment for people like you and me. $60 to save around 24 RL hours of grinding is worth it.
what a joke lol. all those status symbol mounts still exsist. and sure they look good out of the store who would buy low res. boring models. tell me ksm, pvp, and lots of rare mounts donât match that quality is straight b.s. your only complain aside from price driving of boes form token is the cosmetic mounts people ride around on. sorry you think every single mount in the game needs to be a top looking option.
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Yea, Iâm not against money transactions and boosts and all that. I do enjoy the leveling experience tho. I missed a load of content over a 10 year break, so it was really nice getting to see all of it. Quickly, I will admit.
yes, it was a good addition
as i sit on a long boi
and people who really play the gameâs economy can afford to play the game for free, and get all other bliz games for free
seems like a win win.
the p2w issues are mostly addressed by holding back the mythic boe drops until weeks later. the only ones then to pay any kind of gold for them would be individual and not a entire guild (prob) trying to get every advantage as quickly as possible to beat the competition
except ALL of those carries and boes existed before the wow token. ALL of those things exist for people who donât buy the token. aside from how much gold is in your bags at current time there is no advantage over someone else. anyone who says well they can have more gold than i can farm. sure they can. just as someone can farm more gold than what the other could afford to buy. both ways are the same diff. why advocate for one and complain about the other. oh yeah because what YOU want is all that matters.
While Iâd agree with the first part of your statement about the damage to the economy WoW tokens have wrought, I can say with certainty that Iâve never been envious of anyone over a mount in WoW. I think the âmark of statusâ is probably something the owner of the mount thinks he has, and likely to a significantly greater degree than what he actually has.
And back then, you couldnât shell out $20 to Blizzard and get some gold in your pocket to purchase them, and now you can.
Hence, P2W.
There is most certainly an advantage over people who either donât have the gold to spend and have to farm or those who have infinitely inferior loot.
Says who? You? Some other uber-nerds and self-important types who think video games about orcs and dragons are srs bsns and have nothing better to do than haunt the internet slinging arrows at people who make a video game youâre hopelessly addicted to? Thatâs dishonest at best.
I think your definition is bunk and youâll never convince me otherwise because, again, youâre just deciding what does and doesnât matter to suit your agenda. Giving anyone money to buy pixels in-game and make your imaginary elf stronger is pay to win. Agree, disagree, I really donât care.
Of course it is because thatâs what you do; thatâs your shtick. And I bolded part for emphasis because thatâs kind of the whole point. If youâre buying from Susan or Blizzard so you can cheese your way to Mythic gear, youâre paying to winâŠand youâre lame.
And everything is not pay to winâŠbecause I and millions of others havenât ever bought Susanâs gold or Blizzardâs stupid token.
When people donât understand basic ideas, itâs best to use analogies to help them understand. Or to point out how theyâre being obviously disingenuous. Thereâs nothing âtwistedâ about it. Even if you disagree with the ANALOGY, the statement is factual. No surprise you avoided that.
But it is. Your refusal to answer it doesnât mean Iâm wrong. lol It just means youâre avoiding the issue.
Itâs not like I asked you to perform 9 pages of differential calculus. Just answer the question. When you canât even do that, it speaks VOLUMES.
you could pay with gold you farmed. its still pay to win by your math. you are paying the carrier it doesnât matter if u paid for the gold or farmed it. you still paying for a carry. what about those who have tons of gold from farming and people that canât farm then are at a disadvantage right? thats what you are saying by your argument. pay to win is buying loot boxes form the store, or buying increased drop chances. thatâs how the developer makes it pay to win. as you like to say its the devs intentions that make it pay to win or not. so again your argument holds no weight. we get it you are broke. get a better job.
Blizzard is not giving you gold. You are paying $20 for 30 days of game time, $15 of store credit, or the option to sell it on the AH. No one has to buy it either, if no one is buying tokens with in game money they earned then you donât get any gold for your token. Blizzard has nothing to do with the gold. You are just trading an over priced month of game time for gold with another player. Thatâs it.
I think that what they are saying is that is isnât within the spirit of the game.
Edit: Or shall I say the original spirit of the game.
Canât people level to max on retail much faster than 24 hrs?
Listen, dude. I donât care what your extremely skewed definition of P2W is. Even the people here who disagree with me on WoW being P2W would at the very least be in agreement that P2W is and should only ever be discussed in context to the developer, because the very notion of P2W is contingent on the DEVELOPER putting systems in the game that allow players to obtain an advantage over other players or for convenience.
Thatâs not P2W because you obtained it through your own means, but if you were to pay for gold with the WoW token, then it would be. Iâve regularly acknowledged that carries and gear are obtainable via farming in-game, but just because that option exists doesnât mean the token isnât P2W.
Even if youâre a god at farming in this game and making money and playing the AH, you will never be as efficient in making money as some guy who pulls his credit card out to buy a WoW token. The returns are near instantaneous.
Iâm actually quite financially stable but feel free to assert whatever preconceived notions you have about me to make yourself feel better.
Ya, but there is no requirement to answer your question. All it says is I didnât answer the question. It only speaks of me not wanting to get into a crime to P2W comparison. That is actually a reasonable thing, not an avoidance technique.
every game in the world is pay to win then now? you can pay people to carry you in almost any game. regardless if the developers intended for that or not. pay2win is meant to describe design mechanics that you have to purchase to obtain. higher drop chances. higher loot tiers. extra bag slots. lots of ways. boes have always been obtainable through the ah. yall are stretching things so hard its unbelievable.