I believe p2w implies an advantage given not otherwise available. By that, some battle pets in the shop are BiS might qualify… Or not. The argument is that people can buy gold for cash then buy carries for gold they effectively are purchasing end game gear for cash. However, since the gold is also available in game it’s not p2w. Just a term people incorrectly apply.
I mean, saying WoW isn’t P2W is pretty funny seeing as how the main content of the game (ie raiding, mythic+, pvp arenas, achievement farming) can be overcome with a swipe of a credit card.
“Winning” is subjective, but I think we can agree that the baseline purpose of the content in this game is to gear your character in one way or another.
Step 1: Implement grindy gameplay system
Step 2: Sell convenience items to alleviate self imposed issue
Step 3: Make a ton of money
Step 4: Have people on the forums defend these systems because they dont want to engage in the grindy gameplay mechanics (aka PLAYING THE GAME).
I’m sorry if you work 25 hours a day, but most of us that do have jobs want to earn in-game items in some way or another, not just swipe a card for a carry.
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Ever since they added store balance to it I haven’t had to pay for any xpac or store xmog/mount/pets. So that’s nice.
The only thing “twisted” I’ve seen in this thread is how some people RIGIDLY hold on to the idea that unless your credit card buys an item in the shop … it’s not P2W.
Almost like if the credit card you used had one less digit than my credit card … it wouldn’t be P2W.
That’s what some people are clinging to. The most pedantic of arguments that says more about the lack of reason than it does about the issue.
You’ll notice none of those people answered the question I posted previously. Avoiding that like nuclear waste.
If you’re unwilling to expand the definition of “P2W” beyond purchases in a cash shop, then please acknowledge that there is such a thing as “a crime” but also “accessory to a crime.”
The question isn’t about if that distinction exists. The question is: ARE THEY BOTH A CRIME?
Please… explain to me how an ACCESSORY to a crime… isn’t a crime.
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It just means with your post count it should of thickened your skin a bit if you know what I mean. It’s no surprise to me when people say odd things or toss jabs at each other. I don’t even report bad behavior anymore, I prefer to see people talk even if it’s in insults.
No one should stand for this.
Ooof grammar is the worst. I dunno maybe try grammarly?
Your implication is that cash shops are a crime because they don’t just give you everything for free?
If you’re resorting to insults before even attempting to engage with my points, the chances of you actually listening or critically thinking about what I have to say is slim to none, so I don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to remove myself from such an equation.
Yawns loudly.
Either we’re paying cash to get Mythic raid gear…or we’re not. Adding in context selectively so you can be right isn’t how discussion works.
Uh … not at all. I don’t even see how you could connect the dots you just put down.
If you pay for a WoW token and use the gold to pay for a carry in a mythic raid, you are effectively paying for mythic raid gear. It’s just P2W with extra steps which is why you guys insist on acting like it’s not.
But this isn’t pay to win because…you can’t chastise Blizzard for it, which is really the whole goal here.
When did crime come into this? Oh I see, just another twisted way to suggest P2W is something more then it is.
Maybe it was not worth answering, try to stick with facts instead of analogies.
people like you are why games became a spreadsheet. the one thing you are missing is that time in a video game isn’t the same as working lol. playing the game in general is supposed to be for fun lol. say I’m lazy and don’t want to farm gold alot of us are that way at times. no need to justify yourself by trying to apply real world math to a fictional world meant for recreation. you don’t lose out on 720 bucks unless you planned on just not having a job at all so you could play wow. you are trying to make this math and yet you are struggling adding up basics…
Sorry bud, I know you hate that people like be buy boosts but, some of us have it like that.
I just think it’s weird that people trashed D3 for having RMAH, but WoW basically has a worse version of it (since you can buy more than just gear with money → gold) and most people defend it.
Oh ok good, because that would be insanely dumb haha. Glad you don’t think that way.
And as I pointed out to you, P2W mechanics in games are only ever defined by what the developer implements into their game.
If the developer is enabling a cash shop that lets players pay real money for gold that they can use to buy gear/carries, that is P2W.
The developer is the point of contention here, not third-party retailers. If they were, then everything is P2W because you can pay for everything.