Was The Alliance Trying To Achieve Maximum Dazar'alor War Crimes?

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Well… I guess, to be fair, it is supposed to be a prison.

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Fair point, I guess a prison is expected to be sturdier then a normal residential home.

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I’m pretty sure it’s under the canals, too. High humidity probably helps keep the fire elementals in line.

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It’s the Horde version of a Human Paladin

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Do you have any arguments, or are you just going to spout nonsense all day? There are people here on this thread who have had constructive debates, all you and that buddy of yours did is use:
AD HOMINEM FALLACY!

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You seem pretty hostile, i’m not even sure what you’re talking about, i was just responding to another poster. As for the topic, like i said before, Dazar’alor is far from being an Alliance warcrime, even if it was, it would be perfectly fine since Teldrassil warped the world view of WoW in general since such a horrific event not only happened, but the races and their leaders stood by and did nothing, except for Saurfang i suppose.

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It’s true what Sylvanas says: You Alliance goons ain’t got no souls!

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Okay, Threeslot, you’ve gone too far!

NEITHER OF THOSE PICTURES HAD OLD GOD ARMIES! You got my hopes up that the Void Elves had summoned in Void Monstrosities to unleash on the Zandalari Trolls, and instead it’s just all Fire Elementals and Magma Giants.

Dratted Dark Irons taking all the, “Morally Grey,” this time.

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Hoo boy :eyes:

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No, you just brought no arguments as well as your buddy that you were responding too who you obviously agreed with. Now you brought a argument, so let me address it:

Wrong, simply because if one thing is wrong, it is always wrong. If killing civilians is evil, it is always evil. That is being consistent. I agreed with the Teldrassil burning and I agree with Dazar’alor. What I don’t agree with is Alliance players saying that Teldrassil was bad and then say that Dazar’alor was good because of Teldrassil, that is a non-argument. Zandalari Civilians had nothing to do with the burning of Teldrassil.

Gallywix says that.

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Taken out of context it looks hypocritical, but really, after Teldrassil and Theramore the Alliance needs to be more aggressive.

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No, even in context it is hypocritical

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I don’t think the context makes it any better. Teldrassil was monstrous, and the War of Thorns in general was just bad, but I don’t think that justifies future war crimes. Not that I expect it to ever come up though.

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I want the Alliance to actually be morally grey, if they want the Horde to do something like Teldrassil the Alliance should retaliate and get vengeance for it, but since Teldrassil happened first it makes everything the Alliance does essentially justified. I can agree that killing of Zandalari civilians is a bad thing, i think everyone would, but it’s nothing compared to Teldrassil.

Warcrimes was the wrong word then, any form of Alliance aggression, including an Alliance equivalent to Teldrassil, would be perfectly justified now. I want the Alliance to me more aggressive and less Anduin-like with peace constantly. My opinion on this has changed a lot especially in BFA.

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You know, I think perhaps the saddest thing here isn’t that it’ll probably never be acknowledged (boy would that be nice), but that it actually is JUST the Dark Irons going hog wild.

I get that the Void Elves are practicing restraint and using their power responsibly, and I’m fine with that.

But the NIGHT ELVES should’ve gone full blown amazonian on the Zandalari in this case. Talk about ancient enemies. Not only that but from what I recall of World Quests and the War Campaign, I’m pretty sure the Night Elves have a strong hatred of the Zandalari, probably from the ancient past. This would’ve been a terrific time to give the Night Elves some limelight.

Either way, at least something reasonably Dark happened.

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So you agree that the murder of civilians is bad, then Dazar’alor was bad too, look, I never try to say that Dazar’alor is as bad as Teldrassil, I would make the argument that the intent might have been there, but they weren’t able to pull it through because they were pushed out, but that is a whole other argument, the fact is that the Alliance aren’t morally clean, that is the only point I am making. And so if murdering civilians is bad, then it is never justified. If you wish to murder Forsaken civilians MAYBE that would be justified considering it was their leader responsible for the burning of Teldrassil, but the Zandalari had NOTHING to do with the burning of Teldrassil, murdering their civilians is not justified at all.

They are spreading their void magic like a plague among the Zandalari wild-life. The Gnomes let loose a wild beast on a residential area. It wasn’t just the Dark Iron going hog wild.

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Agreed. Battle of Dazar’alor in general seems super strange to me, the Alliance shouldn’t even be attacking them. All i want in the story is for neither faction to be blatantly evil, and neither faction to be 100% morally correct. Gilneas and southshore kind of started it and Theramore really proved it, but in SoO atleast it was somewhat wiped clean, and now in BFA you have Teldrassil, probably the worst thing the Horde has ever done to the Alliance, and the Alliance still want peace, and jaina doesn’t want to press the attack.

The expansion in general seems super weird which is why i have a 1% chance of hope they pull out something really clever at the end which makes the Horde more honorable and the Alliance more morally gray.

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The Quest Text with the Void Elves states that after the Void T-Rex is done, they basically disenchant it so that it doesn’t get out of control and start corrupting the area. As for the Eggs they corrupt, I’ll have to look up what their plans were with them, but from what I gathered, it was stopped by the Horde either way.

I’m fine with the Void Elves practicing restraint in the use of the Void, I think that fits them well. They’re still darkening the Alliance.

I’ll still hold that the Night Elves should’ve had a few moments to shine here. I understand they’ll want vengeance upon Sylvanas specifically, but the Zandalari could’ve made a fine appetizer towards the main course.

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Void Elves are a perfect example of morally gray to me. They obviously aren’t blatantly evil, but they do legitimate morally grayish stuff like the invasion in Zuldazar.

We need more of that in the Alliance and less Anduin wanting peace, although i did like Anduin through most of the beginning of BFA since he actually did something, like the Battle for Lordaeron.

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Indeed he does, the whole line. was just saying In addition to the actual atrocities the alliance may have committed, they even manage to fill Gallywix with ‘moral’ outrage.