Shut up, bad class design guy. WoD was easily worse.
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Yea⌠now youâve given up and started trolling. Iâll bet youâre a pleasure at work
I believe they included pre-orders in that figure. At least I recall a lot of mocking of Blizzard for numbers fudging like that.
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BFA was the worst expansion i have every played in. PvP it sucked⌠gearing Blows.
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Iâd have to agree with this.
It wonât be seen as the best, but after people really sit back and assess they will realize itâs not the worst either.
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War Mode toggle was a great addition. Although of course it was another nail on the coffin of realm communities. But theyâre gone anyway, and WM is a great personal convenience.
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A lot of people bought it, if thatâs what you mean. It wound up having a mediocre retention rate, however. 8.3 in particular seems to have sent people fleeing in droves. Luckily Classic was there to pick up BFAâs slack.
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I donât think BFA was a terrible expansion, but I donât think it was a very good one either. Given I spent a lot of time playing and leveling alts in other content and I also noticed a number of people doing the same probably shows I am not alone. I think BFA did finally find its feet but way to late. Azerite system I think was the biggest single flaw.
but to say was it a failure or a success, i think we need to look at a few points.
- did it bring in new players? - no
- did it loose existing players - probably
- was it so bad that many players will never return - no i donât think so
- did it kill the brand? - no
- is it likely to recover the players it lost - I think so
the fact that population is still reasonably strong after PR disaster after PR disaster shows the brand still has strength. If they make the same mistakes with SL it will just make it that much harder to recover in the following expansion.
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Iâm not trolling. You basically said my opinion isnât valid and told me to go away.
Your ability to recall things is on a fox news level.
You literally told me im not having fun in this game and I said gtfo with your crab mentality.
Now jooâs trollin mon
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Iâd personally put it around a 6/10âŚclose to what I gave Cata at the time. Legion I thought of being closer to 8. BFA had some really good raids and dungeons. The questing zones were just fine to some being very good. The azerite system/essences are disappointing in that most of them just arenât any good so you pretty much just use the same 3-4 traits on everything. My main gripe are the classes themselves. Azerite gear and essences just didnât make up for losing the Legion wep. Balance is another discussion Iâm just talking actually being really fun to play. Many specs Iâve tried just fall far short of what they were in Legion.
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It is a mixed cup for me that leans to the side of bitterness, but not because Iâm possessed of a hatred for Blizzard, or a rabid intolerance for female leaders, or the countless other tired talking points that various white knights will make.
Problem 1: Time-Gating the Time Gate.
Zandalari and KulâTirans were intentionally dragged out. Itâs obvious. They were stretched out as the carrot on the stick time and time again. I didnât appreciate that at all. They should of been available on day 1 through a lengthy quest chain that culminated at the end of Zandalar forever. Delaying them to Battle for Dazarâalor was a moronic move designed to just artificially extend subs.
Going forward Blizzard will give me what I pay for on the day I buy it, or I simply wonât buy the product.
Problem 2: Faction War Expansion.
Quite literally the worst premise they could of cooked up for an Expansion.
The expansion would of been far better served if Sylvanas had not gone psycho-evil mode and burned Teledrassil / Attacked the Lich King till 8.3. and the War could of been the result of Nâzothâs freedom and showcased ideas like say âWarmonger Anduinâ etc.
The expansion was an expansion I frankly feel cheated on. We got a subpar Nazjatar, because a few whiners continually cried about Z axis and Vashâjir. Then we got a half-effort on Nyaâlotha, and told âItâs not so much a place as it is a ideaâ which is frankly a COP OUT.
We could of had an amazing expansion under the sea where we explored sunken ruins, and deep underwater caves where remnants of the Black Empire laid forgotten. We could have easily spun the Z Axis out by simply having a macguffin like the Heart that anchored us to the sea floor and protected us from the sea-floorâs pressures.
But no. Because of a vocal minority we got short changed there.
Instead, we got a Faction War that I seriously doubt anyone really gave a boney xuk about outside of the former PVP servers. Blizzard is being intentionally tone deaf. Truth is, Factions should of been merged post Legion. The Faction War is over. Players are over it. With Sylvanas being removed itâs even more over.
The real issue I had with this expansion is how they mishandled so much lore-rich material for a cheap and easily discarded / forgotten expansion. Blizzard needs to start doing things right or they will pay the price going forward financially. People are tired of this crap.
Problem 3: False Advertising.
Even still the Blizzard store has information that is pretty misleading based on itâs graphical presentation, where it relates to the Eternal Traveler Set. Most people would consider it a material fact to know they can acquire the set at the lowest cost deal if they simply click on another playerâs Mount and spawn the NPC.
Blizzard misleading their fans like this will have grave consequences long term. Iâm not even talking about the false advertising that such a scenario implies. Iâm talking about the loss of reputation that has occurred due to them time and again going for the lowest hanging fruit.
Closing:
Hereâs a example of how bad itâs gotten. A couple months back I went to the grocery story wearing an old tee-shirt with the Blizzard Logo. One of the clerks joked âI remember when Blizzard was cool and not Activisionâs little < insert a word that rhymes with twitch > .â
That really hit me hard because of my past, and also because it put things into perfect context for me. Blizzard is just that. A joke now. Breaks my heart, but thatâs what people think of them on the average. Blizzard used to stand for quality. Now it stands for deception and defrauding customers.
As for the good things we got from BFA? WellâŚ
Sylvanas is out of the Horde barring some stupid redemption story.
Zandalari Trolls became playable.
Magâhar became playable.
Vulpera became playable.
Beautiful Zones. Beautiful Music. Cool looking dungeons and raids.
The story however sank things as did the Time-gating, and what really kills me? I was in the Beta for BFA. We warned Blizzard about all of this for months and months. We warned them and it was completely ignored.
So my advice to everyone who cares about the game is this. Watch the Shadowlands Beta closely. If Blizzard once again doesnât listen to players, if once again you donât see any meaningful changes to classes that are fun (and not an exercise in frustration) you know what youâll get. If you donât see bad ideas changed and redone during mid-beta (not during mid-expansion) and if you donât see communication from the Devs aside from say Kaivax or Zorbrix; then you know what to expect.
And if you see a player say "Relax⌠Itâs only Beta." disregard them completely and keep talking about your issues. At least then your doing your level best, even if Activision-Blizzard themselves are not.
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Probably made a boatload of money like WoW always does, but didnât Acti-Blizz report that Blizzard earnings and MAU are down pretty significantly since last year? Thought there was something about that in the finance news.
Either way, thereâs no doubt their cash shop/sub model is making them plenty of cash.
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No, the devs abando ed the expac without an epilog patch large swaths of the raid loot. Now im not saying its a total failure but wiffed on so many parts of the expansion
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Classic has been a runaway success that has (in my opinion) drawn a few players back to retail
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I never said YOU werenât having fun. You said oh here comes the doom and gloom brigade, implying that there is nothing wrong with the game and anyone who has issue with the game is wrong. Then it spiraled from there.
If youâre going to keep going down this road get your facts right.
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Financially? Well, weâre getting an expansion, arenât we?
As far as the damage its done to player faith⌠we will see.
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to update my point of view i would also like to say I loved all of the zones, literally every single one of them (well maybe not mechagon but meh)
the art team, the music and the story were all 10/10
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Jee⌠how could I have thought this was directed at me instead of a generalization?
My first comment was a generalization and it stuck a nerve with you. Youâve been direct replying to me ever since. Just donât be doomy or gloomy
wod had great class design not the legion class design we are playign now and will still play in to shadowlands.
wod had something else tho PVP VENDORS.
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