Was BFA a successful expansion?

[Szyslak-lethon]

Statistics are never the issue. How people interpret them is.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

Compare it to legion and its a marginal improvement. Which is a fair comparison.

[Rockadee-fizzcrank (Rockadee)]

Blizzard sold 3.4 million copies of BFA on the 1st day.

BC sold 2.4 milion, Wrath 2.8 Cata 3.3, Mists 2.7, WoD 3.3, Legion 3.3.

By some metrics, BFA was the most successful day 1 expansion launch in WoW history.

My post literally compares every expansion. These are not apples and oranges, this is the entire sum of the data. Instead of letting the reader form their own opinion, you’re here to champion YOUR take on the data and call people “white knights”.

Its. Just. Data. I’m not here to champion one thing over another.

[Szyslak-lethon]

Its not just data. All expansions prior to legion didnt have 6 months of pre-sale included in its “first day of sale.”

Add the total sales of every expansion that did not have pre-sales, after 6 months passed and it would he an equal comparison.

Again you are white knighting the sales of BFA by comparing 6+ months of online sales to 1 actual day of millions of people leaving their home to physically purchase a copy.

This shouldn’t be overly difficult to understand how faulty your logic/statistics are.

[Rockadee-fizzcrank (Rockadee)]

You say I’m defending Blizzard, but nothing in my post indicates that. There is no logic, there is only data. You are moving the goalposts to attack my data. Since you’re not actually interested in having a conversation, there is no reason for me to continue engaging with you. An argument without good faith is a sermon.

[Derka-wyrmrest-accord (Derka)]

For the purpose of argument, the more logical assumption is that preorder buyer is the same thing as a day-1 buyer. If you liked the game enough to buy it months or weeks ahead of time, you almost certainly would have bought it on day 1.

[Szyslak-lethon]

Data is only as good as the interpreter.

You are taking the most insular understanding of the data.

Many areas would have ran out of copies and limited the number of first day sales by the way.

Again you cant compare getting in your car or walking to a store to physically purchasing a limited copy data to using a credit card at your computer unlimited copy data.

You will never understand it however many times people explain it to you.

[Rockadee-fizzcrank (Rockadee)]

That’s a strawman if you’re following along.

[Szyslak-lethon]

Thats someone who didn’t get beyond grade 8 math… nice statistical understanding btw.

[Rockadee-fizzcrank (Rockadee)]

Ad hominem.

[Szyslak-lethon]

Dont throw stones if you live in a glass house.

[Garrotex-faerlina]

Financially sure, but classic saved wows sinking ship of subs in the last quarter.

Bfa is crap, crap systems, crap transmogs, crap lore, crap pvp, and crap gearing. The only savings grace is the raids. Other then that the expansion is really bad compared to legion (and every other xpac). And that is coming from a person who really disliked legion.

Now people are very hesitant on preording SL, because of blizzards record in these past 2 years.

[Spotti-area-52 (Spotti)]

No one has any real data on anything except sales. Which also is open to interpretation. If you want to believe BFA retained players at a healthy number than you do you.

I’ve seen enough evidence of a massive slide down from when BfA launched. That’s all the data I need.

[Funkflex-tichondrius]

Yeah then we play classic later and see Ulduar and ICC was more difficult than any Vanilla raid…

Too be honest, the last difficult raid was sunwell plateau, which pretty much pushed the mathematical limits of the game, ulduar and heroic icc was close.

[Ahhsatan-whisperwind (Ahhsatan)]

well out of the total expansion I was subbed for 5-7 months and i’m frustrated I can’t enjoy my other classes I love to play equally as I did in mop and below.Plus my friends said screw this expansion I don’t need a job I don’t get paid for.

[Rashend-thrall (Rashend)]

Whichever expansion is current will continue to be labeled the the worst just like it’s been for the past 7 expansion.

Then why did basically everyone love WotLK when it was happening? Why was MoP well regarded, generally, except for the furries? Literally every single person I play with, when I came back to the game (missed some of WoD and the 70% of Legion) said that Legion may be the greatest expansion, if not then only second to WotLK.

Nah, people regard bad expansions as bad. There will always be complainers, but the vast majority will address it like it is.

[Unkindled-duskwood]

Shadowlands is not even out can’t really say its crap

[Garrotex-faerlina]

Shadowlands is not even out can’t really say its crap

People just have a very sour taste in their mouth due to blizzards track record these past 2 years. That being said, I think that were already at the bottom of the barrel. There is no possible way blizzard can make an expansion worse than Bfa. BUT I wouldn’t put it past them either.

I remain cautious, and will make my decision on purchasing the game once I see Alpha, and Beta gameplay. We can no longer trust blizzard like we have in the past. Especially when they screw up time and time again. People must speak with their wallets, because at the end of the day money talks.

[Unkindled-duskwood]

I can understand that

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

Whichever expansion is current will continue to be labeled the the worst just like it’s been for the past 7 expansion.

Then why did basically everyone love WotLK when it was happening? Why was MoP well regarded, generally, except for the furries? Literally every single person I play with, when I came back to the game (missed some of WoD and the 70% of Legion) said that Legion may be the greatest expansion, if not then only second to WotLK.

Nah, people regard bad expansions as bad. There will always be complainers, but the vast majority will address it like it is.

This is so far away from the sentiment and forums at the time it hurts my head.

The Wrath and MoP general approval didn’t come until 2 expansions after they were current.

[Winsmmafight-frostmourne]

You say I’m defending Blizzard, but nothing in my post indicates that. There is no logic, there is only data. You are moving the goalposts to attack my data. Since you’re not actually interested in having a conversation, there is no reason for me to continue engaging with you. An argument without good faith is a sermon.

There is certainly no logic in your first post, you compared completely different data sets and then try conflate them to be equal or similar enough to warrant comparison by claiming that “some metrics show BFA as the most successful day 1 expansion launch.” next to the data. This is clearly trying to paint BFA in a good light by presenting misleading data, which is certainly “defending Blizzard”.

Comparing different data like that either means you do not understand what you are posting or it is actually you that is not arguing in good faith while calling out others of the same.