So while i agree fury definitely feels weak, I am still outperforming other dps on some fights and pulling decent dps in soloely single target fights. so im curious what some of you guys are doing that you are getting outdpsed by healers. Also i am constantly top or fighting for top dps in mythic + unless its like ret pallies or unholy dks
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It doesnât matter if you are out dpsing people⌠they could be trash or gear could be a factor, the truth is in the statistics and not anecdotal evidence. Looking at the data we have we can clearly see among the top 10% players in WoW throughout the new raid on heroic fury warriors are the second worst dps spec in the game. What you think doesnât matter when we literally have the evidence.
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This, Iâm nightfae and if I want to seriously explode a mob I can do that with trinket and night fae aoe followed by the bladestorm, but after that, itâs the whirlwind and hope I crit with abilities to keep up.
The best thing you can look at right now for where Prot is in the number of parses listed.
Warriors 557
Druids 1,129
Dh 2,410
Pali 2.397
Dk 3,830
BrM 5,646
That right there tells you the state of prot.
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Aoe with kyrian and blade storm moves are great, but ST can be improved
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DPS shouldnât have to âchill outâ though. Itâs fine that they are putting these changes across the board but warrior and to a lesser extent dh are the only classes where threat takes even the slightest bit of finesse. Any other class and threat isnât even remotely the challenge.
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Something in that data is wrong, because thereâs no way Brewmaster is on average doing 5.6k DPS and prot is on average doing 557. I donât believe that for a second.
The number of parses means how many logs have been uploaded, it has nothing to do with DPS. Itâs about how many Prot warriors are being taken to raid.
There are 10X as many BrM parses as there are Prot parses.
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Oh okay, so the amount of warriors, but not how the warriors are actually doing, is indicating of their viability. Got it.
Keep in mind, raids are not a good way of indicating a tanks viability in the first place. Every tier, you can easily get CE as every tank. The tanks in top 50 guilds are proof of this. In Nyâalotha, lots of top 1,000 guilds really wanted brewmasters/blood dks because tier lists said so, but top 50 world had a large variety of tanks. You saw paladins, DHs, bears, and warriors everywhere.
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Try logging out of the forums and then back in. Armory on the website has been janky for awhile now.
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Basically, itâs telling you how good Prot is compared to the other tanks in a general sense. I would guess no high end guilds are running prot for example off this data. The other tanks will have better mitigation or better survivability ETC for example and is the preferred over Prot because they have the best chance of successes for the raid.
Even in world top 50 you will see a pretty big variety in tanks. Wouldnât surprise me one bit to see a few prot warriors in those ranks. I, as well as many other prot mains, really like how the spec plays now. It feels solid in M+ and I have no doubt itâll be more than viable in raids.
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This early data is going to be your hard core players more or less because your super casuals are not going to be able to kill the first 5 bosses, itâs going to take them longer because they donât have the skill.
We know BrM are normally preferred at the start because of Stagger mitigation. But since this is the very start of an Xpac it is possible people rolled tanks blindly because we really didnât know yet how good each tank would be and they donât have time to re-roll.
But the world first guild already have tested the raids they know what they need and they get inside information that the rest of us donât have access to because many of these world first players have personal access to Blizzard employees.
Brewmasters arenât just preferred because of stagger, theyâre preferred at world first levels for the 5% physical damage buff. Brewmaster and Blood DK are often favored by world top 10 because theyâre the easiest to play when undergeared for content. Outside of top 10, like iâve said twice already, you will see a huge variety of tanks, because as long as you arenât getting one shot, your tank choice doesnât really matter.
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If threat was a problem and Prot Pali can pull almost as much damage as a Havoc then of course they are going to be able to hold threat when other tanks can not. This means the DPS can push harder. These raid leaders donât make raids just off buffs.
If you think not being one shot is the bar for if a class gets taken to raid by world first guilds then I guess I have to say, thatâs your opinion and I think the data says other wise.
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For example if you start looking at every boss individually your going to see that the longer into the raid it goes the less and less prot warriors are in the parses. Only 6 prot tanks have downed Counsel of Blood and only one Prot warrior parse after and Zero for Denathrius. While BrM have 134 downs of Counsel of Blood.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26#dataset=90&boss=2412&class=Tanks
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In my M+ group Iâm top or essentially tied for top damage, unless itâs especially poorly spaced and I havenât figured out optimal cooldown usage yet. ST i am behind but with Ancient Aftershock my AoE is an incredibly strong tool for the group, both in damage and regular knockdown.
Worst class? Doubtful. Need some buffs? In ST, and Blizz knows.
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When I was testing AoE damage for different classes I was able to by far blow up the meter with Arms AoE, but if we are talking about sustain well, that very different. So in spread out (as in time) group pulls AoE was great, when you have to do that over 6-8 minuets we, thatâs very different.
I love the fury play style. Arms is definitely punchier in damage but I donât want to play the spec. Fury ST is so horrifically undertuned that I had to abandon my m+ trash build because I was so useless in the ST fights for an execute conduit that barely levels the playing field in my ST dmg. =/ feelsbadmin
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I think thatâs where Blizz has to be careful. You canât give a spec that much AoE burst and have them be tied for sustained single target along with great 2 target cleave.
Also, my single target balloons from 35-0, and often on bosses if Iâm not banking for a pull after, Iâm right up near the spriest and outlaw rogue in my group. Even on the negative edge of WBs cooldown cycle, a SS+WB Execute cleave pumps pretty well on packs.
For long fights I can easily see needing something for ST, but it canât be much. Theyâll likely continue to have to scale PvP vs PvE with buffs too, which makes it more complicated.
Anyway, patience is going to be key, and M+ isnât bad right now.