Thatâs a bit extreme. You donât have the power to say I lost all creditability just because i didnt watch a full 6hr stream. lol
Not what he said. I already stated what he said in the first 30sec.
So essentially your argument for warriors not being the worst is the fact that only Arms warriors have one fight in the raid that they are perfect for? Was the warrior even in the top 5 for that fight?
I donât need power. Itâs an observation of reality.
You are either deliberately trolling, or have a legitimate hearing issue. On the off chance itâs not you outright lying and trolling, Iâll recommend you see a doctor, and in the meantime turn on your closed captions.
You obviously arenât interested in truth at this point, you just want to argue forâŠreasons? But there are people reading this who are, and definitely wonât be watching the video. For them:
Max spends the first minute of the video explaining that they really only make a comp for the Mythic Denathrius fight, because you want the same comp for every fight if you can unless something is spectacularly good or bad. Gearing is clearly the primary motivation here. If this guyâs your hardest fight, you want whoever is in on him to be geared from those previous fights unless itâs going to hold up your progression. Arms Warrior was swapped out on two fights - Sun King and Sludgefist. An extra healer was brought in on Sun King and I believe another ranged on Sludgefist.
He then launches into a brief overview of their roster. He gets to the dps (He is comparing Limit to Echo here): "We both went 3-4 Unholy Dks, we wound up using 4 for the kill they used 3. We were using Windwalker from the start of the expansion, this was something they only swapped to three days before the raid. They planned to bring their monk buff from their tank, I believe that was a mistake, we can talk about that though see what they think about it. We brought an Arms warrior only for this fight, we did not bring it for earlier fights thatâs why we brought Darkee"
This. People try to explain to people legitimately wondering what the real condition of the class is, and when we try to explain that while at least one of the specâs is definitely in a bad spot (/mourn Fury) but the rest are certainly strong enough for the hardest of content with the most elite of guilds in the most competitive possible environment, you go and decide that youâre going to speak for them. And itâd be one thing if there where even the theoretical possibility of what youâre saying being true (They just brought their warriors for shout! Cause battle shout stacks!) or if the people you presume to speak for hadnât made an exhaustive video explaining the reasoning behind their choices.
You donât wanna watch the video, I really donât care, but the moment you keep trying to speak for the people who have already spoken you become intellectually dishonest, and itâs frankly sad that youâd turn to that over something like this. I simply cannot understand the motivations behind someone choosing to literally change a manâs words because they donât support their silly argument on a video game internet forum.
Confronted with facts, proven wrong, and you just run away. Typical.
That entire huge post was directly related to discussing whether Warrior is, actually, the worst class in Shadowlands. It covers a top tier guildâs perspective on the merit of Arms for the Mythic raid race, and identifies how you misrepresented that perspective.
Itâs perfectly on-topic, and was perfectly related to the conversation that was active at the time.
Iâm providing my feedback of the class from my point of view and then someone provides a video by limit. I watch a portion of the video, and hear the man say they brought arms warrior for the spite and then goes on to talk about the other classes. I wasnât about to watch another 5+hrs of someone talking at the time. If provided timestamps, Iâd be more willing to skim to those and listen to the info i missed out on.
We all have different perspectives and biases. Iâm over it.
Whatever Limitâs reasoning was for bringing arms to Denathrius, cool. It doesnât mean arms is better than avg just because they good on one raid boss, borderline avg in m+ and above avg in Pvp. And it doesnât excuse the fact that Fury is a dumpster fire in all content and prot is a meh tank which is good in only certain instances when prot pally is good in all. These were the points i was trying to show.
Iâm not sure how anyone could watch that video by Limit, and think that warriors are fine. They happen to have the right damage profile for one fight, and Max even said he would not bring in warriors for the other bosses.
Would you just stop already? He said, and again Iâm quoting here "We brought an Arms warrior only for this fight, we did not bring it for earlier fights thatâs why we brought Darkee"
Thatâs a gross exaggeration, the rest of us gathered the information on Arms warrior in a few minutes. Look man, if you donât want to watch their video you donât have to but you cannot speak for them then. You donât get to be part of the conversation discussing why Limit did what they did when you wonât listen to them explain why they did what they did. No one is obligated to give you a summary paper with citations and timestamps so you can fact check them with maximum convenience. You have the information at your fingertips. Make use of it and know things, or admit you donât have the required information for an honest conversation and bow out.
Iâm not speaking for anyone. I literally stated:
If this is the case, it doesnât make arms warrior look any better then the way i perceived it. They wouldnât bring them anywhere else. Thatâs pretty sad.
Iâve figured these things out on my own. The class sucks in so many ways and in so many situations. Arms shines somewhat in Pvp / Prot in some physical dmg fights. Rally is pretty decent. It doesnât make up for the dmg loss imo.
And Limit didnât exactly say that warriors are in a good place rn; what they did say was Arms fits decently into the Denathrias fight otherwise they wouldnât have brought him at all, based on what you guys are telling me.
âIâm not sure how anyone could watch that video by Limit, and think that warriors are fine. They happen to have the right damage profile for one fight, and Max even said he would not bring in warriors for the other bosses.â
Mostly to just argue and get the last post in. Remember, being objectively proven wrong with data (and even the new goal-post move of Limit refuting you directly in quotes) doesnât matter as long as you get the last post in!