Warriors: Get a disarm. Get a built in 50% disarm reduction. Unable to be disarmed while bladestorming… ABLE TO BLADESTORM WHILE DISARMED.
Cool game.
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when disarm was stopping bladestorm!
warriors kept crying so blizzard made them able to bladestorm during disarm lol
most of the screwed pvp issue’s which happened in past 13 years only did happen because of people crying, and magically blizzard is still changing the re-release versions when they see people’s tears.
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When disarm was stopping everything warriors had it wasn’t exactly fun gameplay. 4 seconds that you couldn’t use defensives, you couldn’t escape cc with storm, you couldn’t put out pressure or slow down the pressure on you. You became a literal traffic cone for 4 seconds, usually AFTER you had already sat ~10 seconds of CC. There’s a reason they changed it. Mostly because you have this entire defensive part of the kit and it’s unusable. Actually worse than unusable, it’s a penalty to use them in the first place (requiring a swap to 1h+shield, resetting your swing timer) AND then you still could get pre-disarmed and locked out of using them.
From TBC to Wrath they had to buff spell reflect by reducing the rage cost because 25 rage and resetting your swing timer to reflect ONE spell was so bad nobody did it. You just didn’t use it unless you had absolutely nothing else you could do.
I actually think they added the 50% disarm reduction to warriors set bonus because warrior already has everything else baked into their toolkit in mop so what else would they actually need. 
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We’ve had the 50% disarm reduction from talents since TBC. Moved to PvP set in Cata. They should bring back full disarm immunity imo.
You know what I’d rather see Blizzard do? Nerf rogue stealth. Shouts stopped knocking rogues out of stealth in Cata, and now they have Subterfuge. Why does all the counterplay to Stealth have to be removed? Block never even stopped rogue CC’s from landing. Block Kidney? Still sitting in a Kidney. This also has nothing to do with whether rogue is good or not, I’m a professional rogue hater. I do it for the love of the game. They could be the worst class in the game, and I’d still hope for more nerfs.
So you mean like most of the other classes?
Ah yes, second wind is notorious for not working without a weapon, oh wait… To be clear I’m not saying you shouldn’t be able to pop your defensives while disarmed, but man it’s a bit on the other side of the court right now.
Also removed the global on that. Again, I think that’s on the other side of the court now.
Spoken like a true warrior
Subterfuge is dumb, not arguing that.
What I’ve been thinking about warriors this entire expansion.
Good thing them dodging gave you an overpower proc that just pretty much insta killed them for the earlier expansions.
Again, what I’d expect out of someone who rolls a warrior, though that one is well earned.
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It’s funny cus warrior in mop does what a rogue does, has the mobility of a demon hunter 2 expansions ahead and does the most damage in the game without having to try.
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What do you mean like “most other classes”. What other classes had their defensives tied to even having a weapon equipped? Actually not even having a weapon equipped, swapping your weapon to a different specific weapon to use them, that could be entirely negated with disarm. Again, there’s a reason they changed how disarm affects warrior. You couldn’t shield wall, couldn’t block, couldn’t reflect. Like, what are you arguing here?
Overpower stopped doing crazy damage in like wotlk lol. Though it did have that insanely busted talent, unrelenting assault.
For the record, I’m not arguing for or against the current state of warrior in pvp. I’m just saying, there’s a reason warriors abilities were changed to not lock them out of even their defensives when disarmed.
Though if you want me to be honest, I think MoP warrior is a result of a massive overcorrection from Cata warrior. Wall one of the worst defensives in the game, needed a glyph to make it worth anything and then it was average with a stupidly long cd. Enraged regen was turbo trash, healed for basically nothing (which led to Second Wind imo). Shield block had been nerfed so many times it did nothing (probably leads to the creation of DBTS being parry instead of block). All of those (except regen obviously) including reflect still required a weapon swap. Cata war was so cooked to play.
Out of (mild) curiosity, what do you like about MoP that is t better over in Retail? At least now, since the PvP servers were changed into Normal, and a lot of people quit.
ok so… built in Weapon chain.
Yes I agree that’s dumb.
However monks get nimble brew and PVP trinket and if you’re hoomy well don’t even need to have a PVP trinket, even dumber.
Additionally monk can chase you around while Disarming everyone… even dumber.
Warrior while annoying for sure and very strong… not the most obnoxious thing in game… That title belongs to Monk, Mage, Priest, Druid and Shaman.
Wow, that’s exactly what silence is or has been like for most casters. I wonder if that was an intentional parallel made by a designer at some point.
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Casters can’t do anything while silenced: 
Melee can’t do anything while disarmed: 
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I’m on the one pvp server that’s left, but honestly, not a lot… Not that I’ve played war within. Mop was touted as a great PvP expansion, but I just am not seeing it, no matter how many characters I make.
Like I said, that part shouldn’t be the case. That said, you’re compensated by having a built in 50% reduction. Even hunters have to waste a weapon enchant to get that.
I’m arguing that their biggest offensive ability shouldn’t be usable while disarmed, and should probably be disarmable itself, like in most other iterations of the game.
Like I said, fine with that. Bladestorm is not a defensive ability though.
Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I mean, I guess there are still phases to go through and gear will have some impact, but there the part that it was good at the time, and that we’re not experiencing the same patch progression this time, so…
Anyway, I’ve been playing TWW much, much more than MoP Classic lately, and I’m not sure if I’ll go back at this point.
Yep, those are certainly abilities monks and humans have. Does nimble brew break disarm? No. Does Every Man For Himself break disarm? No.
This iteration of ring of peace is pretty whack.
Disagree.
I had formed a giant guild on horde bene before the xfers hit, so I’ve been trying to maintain and keep that together as much as possible, while simultaneously having more and more of my motivation stripped away in the game. I’m trying very hard to find a class that encourages me to play the game more… but it’s a struggle. 27k conquest per alt to gear is very much not an enjoyable process either lol.
It should, actually - PvP trinket removes disarms now, and human racial should have the same functionality.
0.0 really? Never seen a version of the game where you could do that.
Edit: double checked. Touche. Thanks for the info, was not expecting that to be the case.
It’s funny you say that because I’m pretty sure several casters have defensives that can be used while silenced. Dispersion can be used while silenced, and stunned, I’m pretty sure mages can Block during silence. Wall was the only defensive fully stopped by being disarmed, which made warrior the only class that had a penalty in place to even use their defensive, and they could still be locked out of it entirely.
I’m not arguing about the affect of disarm on damage dealing or whatever. I’m talking STRICTLY, about how being disarmed as a warrior locked you out of even using your actual defensives when NO other classes had such a weakness. Like, you disarm a rogue (must’ve landed it during a stun otherwise good luck), they can still blind you, pop evasion, vanish, sprint, cloak, feint, whatever. You disarm a warrior pre-mop and you’re literally only able to piercing howl/demo shout/tclap and wait for it to end, hopefully you don’t just instantly die since you probably were already getting trained before the disarm landed.
Bladestorm funny enough is often used pseudo-defensively, to prevent cc’s or break roots/snares. Though I thought every warrior atm was playing shockwave. 
If warriors didn’t get 50% disarm reduction from pvp set you’d just force every warrior to run weapon chain. I guess you could go that route? Does disarm finally work on hunters ranged weapons now that they don’t have melee weapons at all? Because prior to MoP only rogues could disarm hunters to stop the incoming damage. I’m not even sure if that really did anything tbh. Couldn’t they still throw traps etc?
That’s why I added ‘or has been’, because it’s true; at some points in the game, some casters have been able to use defensives while silenced.
But it’s never been true for every caster, and not all of them have always existed, and not all of them have always been usable while silenced.
To the best of my recollection, the only defensives that have always been able to be used while CC’d are Ice Block and Divine Shield.
(Shaman defensives, in the rare expansions when they even exist, usually can’t be used while silenced, btw.)
Warriors are definitely not the only class that’s ever been locked out of defensives by CC; in the history of WoW, it’s more common for defensives to be blocked by CC than it is for them to be permitted.