WARNING: Massive Wave of False RMT Bans going out in RBGs

I am posting this on behalf of all of the people who were recently falsely banned for RMT in the RBG community.

Above you will find a link to a video made by prolific RBG leader Kasper Larsensen.

In it he describes how the in-game report function is being abused by all facets of the player base (regardless of MMR and CR), to get other players banned for supposed counts of “RMT.”

“For people who don’t believe the system is being abused in this way, here is video evidence of people using it against Perturb, another gold booster:

As you can see, the players involved in this reporting are doing it REPEATEDLY. Mentioning that they will get (Perturb) banned AGAIN and make it “impossible” for him to play the game.”

People are being selectively targeted based on their affiliations and popularity in the game world, spam reported for “RMT”, and then banned – even if they have NOTHING to do with RMT.

He stresses that this kind of mass reporting could happen to anyone.

People who are most at risk are individuals participating in gold boosting services (which is allowed based on the TOS.)

Although these are anecdotal accounts, here are some quotes from his postings on Reddit which describe the video better and help provide context:

I covered two very distinct points in my video, but I’ll elaborate on them again here:

  1. GM’s don’t have the time nor do they really care about looking into these types of reports fully. This is why the system has been partially automated. The reports SHOULD be looked into, but you said yourself that they are disregarded. This is incredibly dangerous because it leaves room for the GM in charge of said investigation to make assumptions based on patterns he/she sees or doesn’t see.

  2. People will report other people who they deem as boosters regardless of if they are even boosting or not. I have played a 1300 MMR yolo where people in it said, word for word, “Report the 1500 boomkin on the enemy team, he is boosting them!” Simply because he was the highest CR player in the game by a margin of 200! This thread should be proof enough that yes, people WILL go out of there way to report people like me. The hatred for boosting teams (especially this season, with the influx of new players in RBG) is REAL.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that yes, I was boosting. However, I did it for gold and therefore I was abiding by the ToS. What got me caught up in this mess were the x 500 reports that were sent in by players who simply didn’t know any better about what is allowable in-game and not, and people with malicious intent. Full stop.”

In regards to Mes and streamers like him:

Mes and people like him don’t need to encourage their viewers to do the reporting.

In fact, Mes is not the issue here at all. Neither are other streamers like him.

All they need to say, offhandedly mind you, is, “Oh these guys are boosting.”

And that opens the flood gates most of the time for their chats to take action - simply by virtue of them being so watched and well known.

Whether it is intended or not (most of the time it is not, fyi.) But even one hundred people acting righteously in a 3,000 viewer stream (let’s be more conservative and say just 30) is enough to ruin someone’s day in the grand scheme of things.”

Let me give you an example of what happens in games like these where gold boosters are involved. More often than not, a player on the team where are fighting will instruct his team either in voice or in-game that we are “boosters”, and that we should be reported.

Think about that for a second. 9 players in a match have just been instructed to report myself, and the other highest CR players in a match simply because we are gold boosters. All it takes is a simply right click on my portrait frame, and a few clicks to report me for cheating, then “Boosting.”

That’s 10 reports I have just accumulated before the gates in a match have even opened!

I queue, on average, 100 matches per character per week. I have 3 max level characters on my account. If the math works out (even conservatively speaking), you can safely assume that I am being reported over 300 times just from in-game reports alone!”

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looks like blatant spam reporting being proved without shame

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Seems pretty thorough and objective with evidence. Pretty bad scene for That one guy (who many of us know) to be caught on stream saying to report Peturb to get him banned. Clear abuse of the report feature. Sad reality is I doubt that blizzard does anything.

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Seems like the ban is coming from blizzard not fixing their report system, now we can all expect to get bans for doing nothing…great.

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Lovely now ima get banned for PVE GOLD CARRIES fix ur system blizzard

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Imagine people getting sick of carries. Just cause they’re not against Tos doesn’t mean they’re right or healthy for the game.

Not saying false reports are the answer but it was only a matter of time before people started getting sick of it.

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I was gonna say :laughing: …a very large % of the community absolutely hates PvP carries since it interferes with their own climbing up the ladder, makes playing alts a pain, etc.

These false reports could just be community backlash.

PvP carries are a different animal from PvE carries; with a PvP carry you are directly gaining “at the expense” of other players, while a PvE carry is harmless since no other players are hurt (since it’s just killing NPCs).

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I agree. I don’t think its lack of information that players are reporting others. They know full well that gold boosting is not against tos they are just over it being a thing and this is the backlash against it blizz really only has 2 options. 1 they make boosting for gold against tos ( this wont happen ) or 2 they start banning false mass reporting. Personally would like to see 2 be what happens.

So my rights end where other people’s feelings begin?

Are you implying that because people are “sick” of carries, it’s okay that people who are doing them (and abiding by the TOS btw!) are okay to sit 6 month bans or longer?

The issue is not the morality of boosting. Boosting has been allowed by Blizzard for a long time.

If you have an issue with boosting, take it up with Blizzard.

The issue here is the fact that this automated system is being used to eliminate players from the game, despite the fact that they were following the rules.

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So I agree that this behavior is really sketchy…

How do we know that Blizzard didn’t do an investigation and find that these banned people were indeed boosting for real money?

There isn’t really evidence that can prove this one way or another.

Not saying I support these types of false reports, I’m just pointing out why people might be doing it (they hate PvP carries, are fed up/frustrated, etc). People see that Blizzard isn’t doing anything, so they take matters into their own hands, it makes sense when you look at it that way :man_shrugging:

Do you pay attention to reddit at all? Even the “Arena” forums over here? PvP carries are very unpopular and a common complaint topic in post after post…

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Similar to the mass reporting that goes on in the forums when they try to silence other players.

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I mean it is America. :joy:

Purely hypothetical, but what do you think these guys do with millions and millions of gold? WoW subs only cost 150k. Likely selling it under the table for real money.

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Hey I can totally see this being true. I’m just saying, maybe Blizzard investigated these banned people and found that they were indeed doing real money transactions but either way there is no way for us to know the truth as only Blizzard and these banned people would know the truth for sure.

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Pve carries are essentially against NPCs but PVP carriers are against real players. And unlike PVE carries you are ruining the experience of other pvp players by indulging in pvp boosting, gold boosting or RMT doesn’t matter.

This is why wow will never be a competitive game. Thanks to carries and poor lfg system, people are already quiting pvp.

Also thanks for boosting these people to the MMR where they do not belong and hence ruining the experience of the team they will play with in future by linking their “boosted XP” only to feed and lead the team to a loss because they simply cannot perform at the rating they were boosted to.

Enjoy the ban. No sympathy for you.

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Blizzard did openly say that boosting for gold is okay. But honestly, boosting for ‘gold’ is the same thing as boosting for ‘dollars’. It’s just a cluster **** of corporate politics.

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Boosting for gold is okay with blizzard because they get their cut with the token purchases. Just because bobby says its okay, that does not make it ethically and morally correct.

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must be an april fools joke to think these bans are undeserved.

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ethics and morals lmao

Alright so obviously, nobody here can really prove what happened but the wording of the ban message in the video doesn’t state that he was banned specifically for PvP Boosting.

It looks like it was a generic message that covered several possible reasons why he was banned and just maybe these people could have been selling gold for real money which could fall under the list of possible ban reasons described in the notice.

I highly doubt Blizzard would ban these people just for boosting for gold considering if that was all that they were doing, then they would be doing Blizzard a favor by driving up the demand for WoW tokens.

In my own experience with these kinds of bans, Blizzard does allow fair appeals and will investigate these things. I had a guild member who was mass reported by a whole guild because he upset their guild leader and he was automatically banned but when he appealed, the GM found that he did nothing wrong and undid the ban and gave that guild a warning that if they did that again, they would be banned instead.