Warmode is a Failure without Loot

[Demarya-proudmoore]

Weird, almost like opinions vary. I had a great time hunting horde in Voldun yesterday. If you don’t like it, toggle off, and let those that do like it, have fun.

[Plaxy-zuljin]

I think you just made it buddy

Warmode is a failure without loot.

[Tinkerizmo-dalaran (Tinkerizmo)]

Change my mind

How about you prove your point.

[Plaxy-zuljin]

You or blizzard first

[Stompypotato-durotan (Stompypotato)]

It is failure with or without it.

They should have never got away from the pve/pvp server model.

Even though I benefited from it. I had one toon on a pvp server only because a buddy of mine played there and I hated playing her because I would get ganked constantly.

If population was a concern there is nothing wrong w/ offering incentives to transfer and consolidate the players.

[Nøz-earthen-ring (Nøz)]

Warmode is the new LFR or Flying for the forums.

[Anastrillan-moon-guard]

alliance refuse to put on WM before reward

The issue of why the Alliance ended up outnumbered is more nuanced than that but okay, you can do that 2 IQ take.

so logically once say reward is achieved WM would go back off.

Okay, but you have a SINGLE piece of reliable evidence that the majority of Alliance who accept the quest and then complete it are turning it off afterwards?

If any Horde player can present this data without doing the meme of “GD NPC #321483 who is an Alliance player said that they turn it off after they complete it” then I’d wholeheartedly believe it and concede that warmode should be forced on for at least a week.

[Demarya-proudmoore]

I agree there should be loot…but they should just give more conquest for participation that leads to loot, or give both sides the quest with a much higher kill count. But the way loot is raining from the sky, no one who cries or breaks their keyboard over another player killing them, rather than an npc boss, should have war mode on.

[Lokaa-wyrmrest-accord]

I don’t think anyone is saying that it is “harder” than anything else, it just isn’t a handout like you are claiming. You still have to do something for it. Again, is the gear too high for the level of effort, maybe, but it isn’t for doing absolutely nothing, like a handout would be.

I can agree that the gear/reward is too high for the level of effort. I guess that was my point more than anything before we got sidetracked into semantics. My apologies for choosing a word poorly.

Also, I don’t disagree that loot this xpac is coming at a furious pace and it is easier than ever to gear up, if that is important to the player. But, it does keep more than just your M+ and Raiders involved in the game as a result (I am an example of this, my raiding days are pretty far behind me, but I do enjoy getting more powerful through other means).

That’s the thing, there needs to be an intelligent balance of the rewards offered versus the content that you complete. Right now effort = reward is about as skewed as it’s ever been. As a raider, I question why I even bother with heroic/mythic raiding (it’s more for fun than anything else). Most of my gear comes from mythic plus dungeons (which I despise), and there are quests that award heroic raid gear (and if it titanforges it can be 10 i-levels above mythic gear). Who needs to do hard content when you can get equivalent gear from simple quests and warfronts?

Personally, I don’t think this is good for the longevity if the game, but time will tell.

[Hamstar-draktharon (Hamstar)]

No, it’s not a “handout” a handout would imply that reward is being given for free or without effort.

Yes, zerging FP and quest hubs and then turning it off is without effort.

[Vodkanokers-bladefist]

There should be no 10% bonus for pvp. There should be zero incentive rewards.

[Mcsalty-kelthuzad (Mcsalty)]

I feel like at this point if i turn it on even if i want to ill be doing a disservice since we can get free stuff if we all turn it off for long enough.

[Wuzeh-wyrmrest-accord]

1: PVP rating means nothing outside of the arena.

2: Stop being lazy and go earn the loot.

[Evelolyn-area-52]

Who needs to do hard content when you can get equivalent gear from simple quests and warfronts?

I heard this exact thing from a guild member. He was bemoaning the ability to get the same, if not better gear, from other sources than raiding. Which does beg the question… why raid unless you just love the group challenge and story.

[Hesttia-illidan (Hesttia)]

Horde has never received loot for warmode, but only now it is a failure? Where have you been the last 6+ month

Agreed, we all pay the same money, why is alliance money more valued to get welfare gear…I never got welfare gear for being on a pvp realm, a real one, and yet these so called pvp’ers all want rewards for pvp litter the forums

[Kozzae-doomhammer (Kozzae)]

Did someone mention it’s an extra way to get conquest at cap if you don’t do a lot of random battlegrounds or arenas?

[Fawnpawn-malganis (Fawnpawn)]

I mean yeah if the other guy got all the 400 ilevel and he’s keep making response like “reee he got loot so I should get it too”.
Making childish comments like these doesn’t make you a bigger person but it sounds more like a mockery to the othe person who didn’t.
Could you imagine the tears if horde get all the 400 ilevel while the alliance gets none?
Maybe not because alliance tears is the reason why we’re in this situation.

[Abotou-dunemaul (Abotou)]

Go play overwatch this is an MMO gear is the only thing matters not that you would know that with 0 pvp rating.

Imagine doing pve without rewards, you wouldn’t and you know it.

I don’t know if I should feel sad or not for players with only this level of investment into playing games or if I should tell them they would feel much more at home in a casino playing slots all day long.

[Lokaa-wyrmrest-accord]

I heard this exact thing from a guild member. He was bemoaning the ability to get the same, if not better gear, from other sources than raiding. Which does beg the question… why raid unless you just love the group challenge and story.

Simple. I raid to conquer the most challenging content while having fun with my guild mates. The gear is needed to progress through the raid and into higher difficulties.

Which then begs the question: if one is not doing the most challenging content, then why would one need gear from that content?

[Evelolyn-area-52]

I actually wasn’t asking you that question. That was what my guildy was saying in guild chat.