I am new to warlock, mostly play Aff. but I found out that when my casting was kicked/spell locked i cant cast anything for a long time till I die in BG… if you were a mage, you could a least have blink/blast/frostbost to use when kicked… And I thought warlock to be a tanky class and draining life to heal you full in pvp but instead I instantly get killed by almost any melee class, unless they are really undergeared… So actually warlock has no survivability without a healer/ team ?..
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we’re like that old drunk guy at the bar “I USED TO BE SOMEBODY!”
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LMAO you’re right.
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Heres the bottom line imo-blizz is gonna nerf and buff to get rerolls so their metrics look better. just play what you like and eventually you’ll get your turn as S level. I have a 190 drood and rogue but rogue got nerfed and I have no doubt convoke is next. if I’m going to put the time in it might as well be as the class I love to play even tho we are a bit of a joke right now.
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it helps to choose Night Fae covenant for an escape method that helps a little. All three Warlock specs have this problem in pvp.
As a human we have a once every three minutes Will to Survive which is not very castable in the middle of a stun/silence etc.
Our own stuns and spell locks are not as hard as the melee stuns/silence/spell locks.
We all are hoping changes will occur to help us.
It is a reality that to avoid this problem we have to cast at a distance and always know that rogues are hunting us.
Better armor makes you stronger later, but the threat is always there until some change happens.
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don’t get kicked
aff has the luxury of having instant casts, but the drawback of only one spell school
learn how to fake cast and create your casting windows instead of trying to stand in one place
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This struck me pretty hard and now im really sad. And laughing.
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Yeah and fire mage has that luxury too, except:
- their instant cast burst is so strong it just deletes literally anything if left unchecked for more than 1s
- they have THREE (!!!) spell schools for CC alone. Kick poly? lmao DB RING
Kick frost? LMAO DB POLY Kick fire? KEKTUS REKTUS POLY RING
Like just no.
DB: instant cast aoe incap, 20s CD
Shadowfury: 1.5s hardcast 3s stun that anyone can just walk out of, 1m CD.
Ok.
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those are things that have to be addressed on the fire mage side because fire is clearly overtuned
for starters they shouldnt have ring of frost
but whining about affliction because its not god mode like fire is really silly
lets conveniently forget that howl is the appropriate comparison here, not an aoe stun that we have on top of it
either way, as an afflock you can either whine about getting kicked all the time
or you can learn how to fake cast and at least mitigate that, I juke low rated melee all the time and its pretty essential in order to play well as affliction
aff has its issues but we should not forget that most warlock players are simply not doing basic things that go a long way in making them struggle less
Bro lets face it Warlock utility is worthless in the current meta. Otherwise you would have seen the best players abusing some well timed cc chains to kill with destruction as its damage is actually not that bad atm. Because of all the cast times and all our cc being locked to shadow our ability to control this fast-paced meta is extremely sub par. This is on top of being the squishiest class in the game, so i feel its a bit more complicated than “Lol learn how to fake cast”. Frankly, while you are trying to fake cast half your health just got gibbed.
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Lol… the guy who doesn’t pvp “just fake cast”
Fake casting has its uses but is so last xpac and not a panacea to address all the ways a warlock can be locked down now
By the time you get melee to use the kick you are now 50-30% hp and the “luxurious” instant casts of agony/corruption/phantom are just tickling at best… the bulk comes from UA/rapture/drain —- all of which are casted
so you then have a few options after drawing out the kick… start casting cc/DPS/teleport and the half brained melee will have a multitude of other interrupts+gap closers to throw at you via CC/stuns/gouge/hammer/imprison etc
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Shadowfury needs to be instant cast like back in the day. Is anyone really complaining about Warlocks being OP?
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maybe learn how to kite properly first since you apparently cant do that either
you are obviously bad at juking but its very easy to get kicks out of the way in the sub 2000 rat leagues
destro did not juke last expac
you cast fear, you get kicked, you cast bolt
s4 haste levels, you could legit not stop the cast before the bolt was already off lmao
I remember back in wotlk we had instant cast Shadow Fury, instant cast Howl of Terror and Death Coil all baseline. That was enough to kill almost any class 1v1 when using Fear in between these. Especially with good uses of the curses.
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Yea, when they took howl, and death coil away and made them talents it was a massive hit. They should definitely give those back to the spell book, and give us different talents in those slots. I think that would go a long way.
We need something like they have to shadow priest, a cd that instant applies all our dots to a target, and since we asking nicely, a spread mechanic like DK, cause right now this is just not working.
Lmao, once upon a time maybe. Unless you expect to win by pressing Corruption and Agony over and over.
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I was thinking about this the other day. Not that we need an outbreak, which i heard got nerfed a bit, but aoe curses/dots need to be a thing. Especially since our dots don’t hit very hard. I’m not talking about seed, rather think vile taint mechanically. A DOT spread in 1 cast to a cluster of people in the area of effect. Matter of fact, this is what seed of corruption should be. Make it cost a shard, or put an 8sec CD on it. It synergizes with rapture in that you get more dots out quicker, helps our ramp up time, but still forces us to hard cast to actually pump out damage (which i don’t like, but if we need to be there, then fine).
Yea, realistically we need a better spread mechanic to help with this GCD nightmare we are in. that would go a long way in helping with DPS/Rotation, and quality of life. And for pvp, give back howl as a base spell, we need to be able to peel, and not at the expense of mortal coil, which is also a must for warlocks. Realistically, they should take howl, and Coil from the talent tree and replace it with an Outbreak type talent, or a talent that massively boosts dot damage.
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For whatever reason lock is a kiting class now. Go figure …
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