Warglaives Of Azzinoth Transmogging Shouldn't Be Restricted To DH's Only

[Tacothebell-lightbringer]

I agree. Warriors as well.

[Gald-thrall (Gald)]

Whether they are swords or warglaives is a moot point. If they were honestly warglaives designed with the intent of only being transmoggable by DH’s then no other class should be able to equip and use them. If blizzard had any consistency with their logic whatsoever (hint: they don’t and never have) they would have changed them to warglaives and made it impossible for any other class outside of Demonhunter able to obtain or use them.

[Zamzat-blood-furnace]

The restriction should 100% be removed. I do not understand the people who support this weapon being restricted to DH’s.

[Xj-faerlina]

@Redhell-sargeras

The comparison is actually quite apt because it wouldn’t be that far-fetched to assume that had DH’s been a class back in BC, the WoA may have been for them and them alone in the same way the FotF are for Rogues and Rogues alone.

Wholly disagree because up until that point every legendary was usable by a number of classes. The legendary bow which came later was still usable by anyone who could equip bows but you were stupid if it went to anyone except a hunter.

Atiesh was very clearly a mage staff, but every class that could use a staff minus warriors got their own special variant of it. Thunderfury was equippable by any class who could use a 1h sword, even mages. Reason being while the Bindings said they had class restrictions, anyone who got both could turn them in for the quest. This is why Classic has a Chinese mage with a Thunderfury. Since you don’t get the quest from the bindings. You just have both and talk to the dude in Silithus who then tells you “I need 10 elementium bars, both bindings, and you must kill Ragnaros and get this quest item from him. I can’t help you on the elementium bars because the goblin experimenting got sucked into a portal and is God knows where.” Which you later find out he’s in BWL and the game cleverly tells you that you need to mind control him to cast the spell on yourself to learn smelt elementium through his accomplice in Winterspring’s demon area. Who is amusingly still in the game actually but just on like a rock doing nothing.

Sulfuras was usable by any class who could use 2h maces.

Warglaives were designed along those lines with the restrictions to only the two classes who could use both swords primarily. As opposed to a hunter who could equip them but would never melee range with them.

Truthfully, the legendary daggers were the only instance of a single class specific legendary. Every other one until that point was usable by two or more classes.

Val’anyr, usable by all healers. Shadowmourne, usable by all classes who could use 2h axes that were melee, Dragonwrath available to every caster dps class.

[Fahlryath-wyrmrest-accord]

DH main here. I have both warglaives on my rogue. Have had them for years, long before the DH unlock for them was available. It is still endlessly frustrating to me that I cannot actually use the things on my rogue for anything other than showing off or rp. Let me just transmog the things already.

[Nagaina-hellscream (Nagaina)]

@Beaupeep-draka

They literally are though. It’s in the name.

The only reason they started as swords is they didn’t even have a warglaive classification until Legion.

What they NEED to do is change the classification.

This is still a terrible idea for the very same reason I gave earlier.

@Nagaina-hellscream

So all of us who have the original weapons on non Demon Hunter characters would what? Just not be able to equip them anymore?

[Evermoist-wyrmrest-accord]

warglaives are for demon hunters

[Ricros-dalaran]

Swords aren’t just for demon hunters.

[Evermoist-wyrmrest-accord]

we all know why they were classified as swords in TBC

[Ricros-dalaran]

Mhm, it doesn’t take away from the fact that various sword users used them.

[Sorcir-dalaran]

@Illidette-hyjal

Corrupted Ashbringer is an epic item. Epic items aren’t bound to the same rules that legendary items are.

Except legendary items aside from the one being discussed here aren’t bound to any transmog rules anymore.

@Illidette-hyjal

Plus, does that really affect you given that probably 0.01% of the players actually have Corrupted Ashbringer?

It doesn’t matter, he brings up a solid point. If the Ashbringer is clearly meant to be a paladin weapon then why are other classes allowed to transmog it?

[Illidette-hyjal (Illidette)]

@Sorcir-dalaran

If the Ashbringer is clearly meant to be a paladin weapon then why are other classes allowed to transmog it?

Well, technically only Paladins have wielded Ashbringer. Corrupted Ashbringer, is a different story however. As via lore, it’s been used by Mograine, Darion and Tyrion

@Sorcir-dalaran

Except legendary items aside from the one being discussed here aren’t bound to any transmog rules anymore.

Not quite. Fangs of the Father are daggers. Rogue only. I’m also pretty sure Atiesh is still restricted too(though I may be wrong on this one).

Regardless, had Demon Hunters been in the game at launch, as Blizzard had initially planned, we all know the Warglaives of Azzinoth would’ve been 100% restricted.

[Ricros-dalaran]

@Illidette-hyjal

Well, technically only Paladins CAN wield Ashbringer. Corrupted Ashbringer, is a different story however. As via lore, it’s been used by both Mograine, Darion and Tyrion

Yes, that’s what I was referring to, the Corrupted Ashbringer. Hunters, Warriors, and DK’s can transmog it depsite it clearly being a paladin weapon as they got it as an artifact skin.

@Illidette-hyjal

Not quite. Fangs of the Father are daggers. Rogue only.

Um yeah, because that makes sense. Rogues are the only class in this game who use daggers and can do that questline.

When I said that legendary items aren’t bound to xmog rules anymore, I meant that they are no longer bound to the rule that you can’t xmog them.

@Illidette-hyjal

Regardless, had Demon Hunters been in the game at launch, as Blizzard had initially planned, we all know the Warglaives of Azzinoth would’ve been 100% restricted.

Of course and if that were the case, then wouldn’t even be a debate. But the fact is, those were rogue weapons back in the day.

[Illidette-hyjal (Illidette)]

@Ricros-dalaran

Yes, that’s what I was referring to, the Corrupted Ashbringer. Hunters, Warriors, and DK’s can transmog it depsite it clearly being a paladin weapon as they got it as an artifact skin.

But, what I’m saying is, Ashbringer and the Corrupted Ashbringer are different. THE Corrupted Ashbringer is also different from the Artifact skin. And naturally, yea those classes can all mog it because THE original was just a epic sword. Those classes can’t use the artifact appearances.

@Ricros-dalaran

Um yeah, because that makes sense. Rogues are the only class in this game who use daggers and can do that questline

Lots of classes can use daggers. But okay, you said questline. Fair enough. But then we must also remember that the original Corrupted Ashbringer for players was from a chest upon defeating the Four Horseman. Not a quest like Rhok’delar. And it’s not legendary. Thus, different rules.

@Ricros-dalaran

Of course and if that were the case, then wouldn’t even be a debate. But the fact is, those were rogue weapons back in the day.

Everything was a rogue and warrior weapon because they were greedy. Even Thori’dal the Stars Fury. Despite being a bow that saved the hunter lots of ammo costs.

TLDR: I don’t care one way or the other, I’m just giving you crap cause I’m bored and have a headache. Maybe they will open the mog restrictions up for the glaives, won’t bother me as I think they are ugly and hideously low res. However, I do understand why the restriction is in place. You know? So I’m okay with loosening the restriction but I do understand why the restrictions are there. If that makes sense.

[Ricros-dalaran]

@Illidette-hyjal

And naturally, yea those classes can all mog it because THE original was just a epic sword.

And the warglaives are legendaries. And recently they have lifted the rule of not being able to xmog them.

@Illidette-hyjal

Lots of classes can use daggers.

I know. I was just saying that rogues are the only class who actually use them as of now.

@Illidette-hyjal

And it’s not legendary. Thus, different rules.

Legendaries can be xmogged now so no rules.

@Illidette-hyjal

I don’t care one way or the other, I’m just giving you crap cause I’m bored and have a headache.

Cool, I appreciate it. It helps keep the thread on the front page.

[Sticks-rexxar]

Agreed. Re-classify them as warglaives, and let all the classes that can use 1H swords use warglaives.

Anyone crying about “flavor” or “identity” or “theming” or whatever: Eredar Paladins. Don’t @ me.

[Tel-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Issue with this is that they were iconic for rogues and fury warriors back in ye olde days, well before Warglaives were a weapon type and well before Demon Hunters reared their heads.

Imagine if only paladins were able to use the old Ashbringer. Every paladin would be excited, and probably say it’s fitting, but warriors could and did want that thing too.

[Miltocket-aegwynn]

Actually I think the corrupted ashbringer is the best argument. Far rarer than the glaives, it even triggered a special script event entering* a dungeon. And if you watch the videos of the script, a HUNTER had the weapon.

Should a hunter lorewise have that weapon? No. But he did, because Blizz let it happen. That hunter earned it.

Nowadays, if that player came back, they cannot transmog or even equip that weapon, due to restrictions. But that is such a cool item, everyone’s head wuold turn seeing a hunter walking around with it. That player earned their loot, and shouldn’t be punished not being able to use it, just because of new changes Blizzard imposed years after

[Quenya-shadow-council (Quenya)]

Let my Warlock xmog Golad, and you can have the warglaives.

[Ricros-dalaran]

Sure thing, if your warlock is able to do the questline that is.

Good luck with pick-pocketing Hagara and doing the various stealth missions.