My opinion is worth more than yours given i stand with the majority who do not like or participate in the objectively terrible minigame of rated pvp.
1 Like
Look, I get that you donât like it, but that doesnât make it right. Youâre right though that WoWâs retail PvP is a minority of the player base but that doesnât make them wrong.
You donât like instanced PvP. Great. Donât play it.
So again, whatâs wrong with making it so you canât open a crate while in a raid?
Conflict of interest. Heâs not interested in saving rated PvP because he doesnât do it and just wants the free gibs.
Exactly what I got branded as a kook for saying was happening and now they openly admit it.
Muh argument from popularity
Black and white fallacy.
You can have pvp while a raid hits a crate.
A raid existing doesnât stop pvp.
Infact, it expedites gearing which leans to quicker normal pvp.
1 Like
At certain ratings you will sit in queue over an hour.
Doesnât matter how fast you gear youâre getting fewer games in by a fu^^^ng lot.
Like everyone else you need to be forced back into the arena if being max ilevel is so important to you.
I donât think you realize that there usually isnât a raid-sized number of the opposite faction in a shard to begin with. You can only have PvP while a raid hits a crate if we assume there are enough enemy players around to counter it. Reality is, there usually arenât.
The game tries to balance shards by gradually sharding in players to keep things relatively even. Of course, it often fails at this and over does it leading to dead shards, but when it works, you actually get some good organic fights.
Crate raids, though, completely kill that organic WPvP. Dropping a full raid into a zone instantly wrecks whatever balance was there, and they steamroll everything, leaving zero chance for any organic fight to develop.
I disagree, but okay.
Correct.
Also correct, sort of.
Yes, whether a raid exists or not doesnât mean PvP will or will not happen.
However the more the PvP population is split up (whether into separate shards or separate queues), the harder it is to find good battles in the open world and the longer queues take for instanced PvP (rated or otherwise).
So when you have 40 Alliance in a raid on one shard, and 40 Horde in a raid on a different shard, that is taking 80 players out of the good open world battles and out of instanced PvP queues.
You say this, but you also say you hate instanced PvP and wonât do it regardless.
Donât fight the raid.
Go fight people.
You guys keep saying all fights must involve all raids all the time every time.
This is a black and white fallacy.
I die everytime but I live for these moments
Strawman. Please quote them where they said that.
In fact, the problem is literally the opposite: Most fights that involve a crate raid, involve a raid on only ONE side, leading to basically no PvP at all. If all fights involved raids all the time every time thereâd be at least a raid on each side and a nice fight that would break out, but thatâs simply not the reality.
Please, stop inventing arguments no one is making and then attacking it.
Iâm not complaining about fighting these crate raids, I actually used to go out of my way to fight them, because I couldnât stand them, and theyâd just mass report me anyway for one shotting them.
The issue is that the average player isnât going to want to deal with crate farms. Instead of creating fights, it just discourages players from engaging with them at all. They might be great for farming conquest, but theyâre terrible for the health of WPvP.
And before you say it, no, Iâm not gatekeeping conquest. Easy conquest is fine if it comes from actual PvP. Blizzard should add more ways to earn conquest through WPvP that actually involves fighting other players.
Youâre just putting words in my mouth. Never did I say that or even elude to that. What I was saying is that on the shards where crate raids exist (and they do shard hop constantly for efficiency) they shut down any chance of organic WPvP. Trying to twist that into me wanting every single fight to be raid vs raid is just ignoring the actual point.
1 Like
When I saw a crate raid I just spent time flying over their heads like an annoying crow.
They kept trying to net me or hit me with CC but they couldnât catch me. The one time they did manage to grab me in and lock me into a totem, I was able to live long enough to trinket and fly away again.
I had no hope of killing any of them of course. They were perched on a pillar up high but most of them stayed on their mounts so I couldnât knock them off to their deaths.
I just hope I annoyed them. I think I did based on how hard they were trying to kill me.
Was kind of fun for a bit, but there literally werenât enough Alliance in the zone to have a hope of fighting them so there was no actual PvP that happened. Boring.
Now I imagine if it was a group of 5 Horde instead that would have been fun!
I donât know why this other guy cannot comprehend this.
1 Like
At certain ratings you will sit in queue over an hour.
Well. I think I speak for everybody when I say that doesnât sound fun at all. And thats all the more reason not to gatekeep in behind that.
Like everyone else you need to be forced back into the arena if being max ilevel is so important to you.
Just gonna say right now. Cannot stand elitists. Attitude like this makes me even happier gear like this isnât locked behind rated so I donât have to spend as much time with people like this. Dealing with all the garbage that happens in M+ is bad enough.
You say this, but you also say you hate instanced PvP and wonât do it regardless.
Some people prefer world pvp. Not necessarily because they are bad, but because the open world to them feels more exciting. The Undermine is just a flat out for more exciting location then a simple arena. Though I do in enjoy bgs and brawl sometimes.
Now I imagine if it was a group of 5 Horde instead that would have been fun!
I donât know why this other guy cannot comprehend this.
One thing you are forgetting is that just because people are in groups of 5 doesnât mean they canât work together. You could have a situation where you have multiple 5 man groups going for the same crate. Held together by communicating party leads telling them where and what shard to go to.
World PvP is my favorite for sure.
My point there was that if someone hates a certain kind of content in a game, no amount of changes to THAT content will make them like it.
Yes this can happen but it will happen far less often, and to a much less degree, than having 40 players join a single crate raid, and will be far harder to organize.
Regardless, I still think crates just shouldnât be able to be opened while in a raid, or if you were in a raid from the time the plane spawned. That would remove crate raids overnight but still allow players to group up for crates using group finder.
As long as there is at least some pvp that happens sometimes its not an issue to me. Gear should never be the end game, but rather a means to an end. You get the gear to have fun in pvp. For gatekept rewards behind rated you have transmogs, mounts, titles.
I believe the point of the crates was never meant to be a source of constant, free conquest, but rather as a source of conquest with the end goal of promoting open world fights.
Now whether or not they would accomplish that goal if you canât open them in a raid is another matter, but I really canât think this is somehow intended by Blizzard. Might as well let crates drop outside war mode too at this point.
Ironic.
The irony here is Iâm not even elitist
Never even been 2.4 or higher, I donât obsess over rating and donât queue that much
But rated PvP is on life support with these queue times, Iâm tired of standing in Durotar and staring at the screen for consecutive eternities between games, and the only solution is to make it worth queueing for the normies again
Game mode sucks, rewards druids, ret paladins, meta.
No one but druids, ret paladins, meta will want to play it.
And not even all of them.
Btw more people play Night Elves in PVP for Shadowmeld than people who play HORDE.
You donât PvP
Opinion discarded