Not at all. Your lack of Reading comprehension is not my fault.
It is not.
Until evidence to the contrary is provided, we have to assume (at the very least) simple sciences still apply. Otherwise, I can argue that Gravity on Azeroth is an Illusion and we all stay on the ground because the planet’s flying at a high velocity through the Twister Nether.
But I wasn’t even arguing science or astronomy here.
Only a Magical interpretation of it. Which the Lore of Warcraft is BASED ON. That’s how almost everything in WoW functions.
No it hasn’t.
In game Classes are not accurate representations of Lore.
We’ve already covered this literally in my response earlier.
No. Her personal choice (or more specifically any player’s choice) to ROLL a female Sentinel and female Priest or not has no baring on Lore.
But please, do keep misrepresenting my posts. Only continues to demonstrate your disingenuity.
I feel like you’re walking things back again without admitting such. When we discuss the light, we mean the “Holy Light”, the same Holy Light that Delas appeared to embrace. Trying to make this concept more abstract seriously sidesteps the point, and further, appears to be based in your interpretation and extrapolation of unconfirmed information.
… You disputed they they killed Arcane practitioners … They did…
Again, Kaldorei gender roles was a defining characteristic of the race, and Blizzard removed that characteristic. Meaning, much of the player base did not get what they signed on for when they decided to play Night Elves.
Are you trolling me, or are you really this dense?
I’m not “walking back” anything. I made one offhand comment that got Akiyass so BOTHERED by and wanted to go off on a tangent about. Like Always.
And I got dragged along with it. Like Always.
Point being, Delas may be a Paladin now. Hell, she may follow the Holy Light now. Hell, she may see, as I do, the Light is a reflection of Elune.
This does not contradict ANYTHING in established Lore and does NOT harm the Night Elf culture IN ANY WAY.
I disagree with you when you say that it doesn’t harm Night Elf culture - as it seems to be a case of celebrating a Night Elf abandoning her religion and culture in favor of the human religion and culture.
I am glad to see however, that you have clarified that you see the Light as a reflection of Elune rather than asserting that this is confirmed, unshakeable canon. I disagree with your headcanon of course, and I certainly don’t want to see it implemented in game, but I’m glad that we’ve clarified that this is a matter of your interpretation.
I did not. I disputed your insinuation that they just killed “arcane practitioners on sight.” They did not.
They killed Night Elves who broke the law. No body else and certainly not for simply practicing the Arcane. They weren’t on some kind of path of extermination.
But it was known this would be the case, even before the game was launched.
I don’t see it that way. It’s been a while since legion, but I didn’t see her as “abandoning” Elune at all. Only following another path, one in which she saw as still following Elune but not a traditional way.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. People don’t have to follow along traditional lines just because their families, race, country, or culture dictates that’s “how it’s always been.”
I don’t mind people not following traditional lines - but I do mind the narrative having an opinion on it, and trying to justify their earlier attempts to bulldoze Night Elven culture because they find it easier to write for humans - and then plaster that model all over the rest of the Alliance.
Presenting this matter as though we’re just talking about an exception misses the point here. The point is the focus and the implication that this isn’t just a thing, but a good thing.
I’m going to jump in on your arcane point as well. Asserting that Night Elves weren’t killing arcane practitioners on sight - just that they were going after those who broke the law is a rather silly way to frame things when the law was to punish the practice of arcane magic upon pain of death.
It’s kind of like saying that we’re not dealing with a dental practitioner. The person in question just practices dentistry. It’s a really bizarre way of disagreeing while affirming what you’re disagreeing with.
Semantics? They killed Arcane practitioners on sight. You refuted that claim… But that is pretty well know part of Kaldorei lore. What does Semantics have to do with it? You’re just wrong.
But see, this is the issue. First, the whole premise of the argument is that this ONE EXCEPTION has become the rule, when that is clearly not the case. Nor is it depicted as a “good thing.” It’s just a thing.
As I said before, it’s not like Night Elves didn’t already have Paladins. They seamed to have been broken up and dispersed among established classes, but they existed. And this is a problem in of itself.
But It’s not like all Paladins worship the Holy Light or that the “human” interpretation of the Light is the foundation of all Light worship. Far from it, in fact.
I mean, the Paladin order was messed up for many reasons, mostly because it had no direct focus on the different versions of Paladin, but this did work in the advantage that not all Paladins were depicted as following any one particular incarnation of the Class, especially not the “human” version.
So Delas being a Paladin for Elune makes perfect sense to me and I don’t see the problem of her adopting the model, even though I would of preferred returning to the “Priestess on Saberback” version.
I think that this obscures that she’s joining the Silver Hand - a human organization, and that she’s now saying things like “Under the Light, we stand as one”. Elune’s been left on the side of the road here - especially again, given that the Light as referred to throughout the game is the religion that the humans follow. It’s not the abstract concept that you’re trying to call back to - it’s the holy light.
So, calling her a Paladin of Elune isn’t accurate here. She was “reborn” as a Paladin of the light.
Thank you for admitting you were wrong. (I think you mean disputed.)
The Samantics come in with your use of “adversion” which, while technically they were adverse to Arcane users but the way you argued was that they’re suddenly “A.O.K.” with it is a fallacy. They’re LESS adverse to it but far from adopting it as a practice, at least mainstream.
Clearly, Maiev wasn’t, and much of the Kaldorei had to be convinced to welcome them back, and even then it took Teldrassil for them to be accepted.
And that’s not including Tyrande’s feelings of the Nightborne.
But, even then, your use of “adverse” implied a greater rejection then the lore supported. I mean, they had cordial and even friendly relations with Arcane users Prior to WoW.
So really, not that much has changed and even what has changed, it’s actually a good thing in that 10,000 years of stagnation in an ever changing world is toxic and detrimental to a culture. It either has to change or it’ll implode. The xenophobia and aversion to outside cultures was a flaw in Night Elf culture that shouldn’t really be lamented.
You want a citation of what everyone knew?
I should ask you for a Citation that
I mean, the game was advertised as being without gender restraints. What more do you need?
Still, you completely rejected the idea that they were killed Arcane users on sight… Which, as it has been pointed out, they were.
I think Arcane being welcomed back into their society, and people actually applauding the mages in Elegy means they are, in fact, “A.O.K. with it”
The point is, rejection of the Arcane was a major cultural element of the Kaldorei, that has been removed to make them more homogenous with the rest of the Alliance races. Full stop.
I do not believe everyone knew that. I do not think it was even lore cannon at the time of WoW’s launch.
The Silverhand WAS a human organization. It hasn’t been for close to 15 years now and definitely wasn’t from Legion on.
And the Light was only introduced as the Religion Humans follow. It hasn’t been a Human religion for a long time either.
You want to talk about Homogenization, how about how much the Alliance themes were lost to the Horde. Paladin was a Human only class. Druids were a Night Elf only class. Sure, it made the game more balanced but it scrambled the lore.
But even then, I also understand the game can’t exist in a vacuum and you can’t stop people from learning new things. Classes and cultures are bound to spread as cultures intermingle. Ranting and railing about ONE PERSON learning another class is absurd.
And she follows Elune via the Light. I don’t see that contradiction her.
Claiming that she follows Elune via the light is based on your interpretation of what the light even is, and then the extrapolation of that interpretation to the assumption that she is referring to the abstract concept you’re trying to point to rather than what we understand the light to be.
Those are two leaps that I’m not prepared to make with you. The simpler answer here is that she’s referring to the light as it’s presented in the game: the Holy light.
Past that, while claims about Alliance themes being shared with the Horde is a fine discussion to have, it’s not the one we’re having. The one we’re having has to do with Night Elf themes and culture being bulldozed because writing for humans is easier - and the dissatisfaction that has engendered for years with many Night Elf fans who recoiled against the High King, human domination of the Alliance, and now the celebration of someone giving up her life, culture, and religion to become a human-informed expression of a paladin. I’m tired of watching the Night Elves’ culture and sense of independence get eroded, blown up, and erased - and this is another instance where they did just that.
