Wait, there's seriously no penalty for leaving a key?

Err… again, crystal ball anyone?

Well, it kind of is if the key was still in time…

Just because you assume the group is going to time doesn’t make it true, nobody is obligated to carry poor performance.

Are you suggesting the keyholder is always the one porforming poorly…? Because if not, that doesn’t justify why only the keyholder faces negative repurcussions…

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You don’t seem to understand this. The Keyholder is the only one who can have their key improve, that is why they are the only one who can have their key decrease. Only the key being run can have its level change as a result of the run. Nobody needs to justify that.

So what? The point of key depletion, in Blizzards words, is that you can go back to a key level you’re more capable of.

I’m doing 13s. But yeah, I’M the one who needs MY bricked potentially all the way back down to 10 and the performance of other dribblers in the group had nothing to do with it, right?

idk. I ran a +8 Brakenhide this morning. It’s been a while since I ran anything that low, and I do NOW get why you take the position you do, Snoz… I am convinced we could have timed it as a 3-man if two people had left.

Its not a matter of being “good” ether… No one really took damage from anything, and twice I had two people stand in the tree-mob’s breath attack, but I think they would have lived without healing period.

Yea, I don’t see a normal reason why anyone would leave a key like that-- so I can imagine that you do not have a leaver issue from your perspective.

In context of the reply, he was saying there is no way to track this stuff, but if Blizzard can do what they say here, they can obviously track it. https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/117469

You keep asking loaded questions. For example, I don’t agree with the assumptions behind your choice of words here, so I just move on from it. I’ve tried explaining this to you several times–

I guess to illustrate (all else having failed lol) My raid got the title of the chosen for surviving the entire trial of valor, and killing Helya before the release of the next teir back in Legion. We didn’t get that title until we finally got a run where everyone survived.

Point in the story, that wasn’t a “waste of time,” and the concept of “carry” as you describe it, never entered into thought. Like I said, we have a fundamental difference in understanding.

I wouldn’t know anything about that. I have had a few cases like the attitude though, and in the past, I would put aside my feelings, or use it as fuel to burn brighter. :slight_smile:

… Did you know Uncle Ruckus was considered the main antagonist in the Boondocks?

He’s writing out of petty spite at this point. It’s best to move on.

If you fail three times in a row with a group you made, where you invited everyone, that’s probably got something to do with it.

Not only does this quote not say that they can track it, it also demonstrates exactly their stance on this issue which is nothing like yours.

Every question is loaded when your position is so far removed from anything remotely rational.

Yeah, the problem is my lack of crystal ball. Like I said. Serves me right for not being able to solo the instance due to one guy who had perfectly decent IO not playing adequately at the key range he applied for and shame quitting because he kept dying, I guess?

You insisted there existed no way to track this. period. Obviously there is, if that article is accurate, and that’s all I’m pointing out there.

Considering your needlessly aggressive responses without end, you talking about anything rational is ironic.

The article literally doesn’t say that they can track that, you are assuming that they can but it is not stated.

It only says that you can report someone for actively, and purposefully, being a detriment to the group. Leaving because someone else is, isn’t being a detriment. It’s avoiding the detriment.

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More people leave lower keys than high keys though.

The best solution would be a blacklist/whitelist of players. But let me play Devils Advocate later…

Not unlike EBay seller confidence. We could rate people on performance. RIO sorta exists in this respect but too often it’s based on one key or a few.

Then again, people leave for lots of reasons like emergency or terrible internet. Guilds are a good answer.

Changing how mythic plus is done is another. Like freezing the run until another player can join. But then again any of these things can be abused.

It’s why I don’t take mythic plus seriously. I rarely leave. Often last tbh. Being in a guild was better because I could explain why I left.

PUG risk is real. And it sucks when it happens. Still, while RIO is good indicator, more needs to be done. More proof of dedication as it were, but exactly how is tricky.

The low budget answer is either being a guild or understand the risks and deal with them.

The high budget would be some kind of dynamic white list/blacklist statistical evaluation of our skills while in the game, But then again, these kind of player metrics are not something that I don’t think blizzard wants to share.

It’s a good conversation piece

:ocean: :crab: :ocean: :crab:

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… Hold on a minute, do you really think Blizzard has no way to see how often you leave keys-- even if they plainly state they are capable of acting on said information?

Interesting interpretation. lol

Idk, depending on who you ask, it’s a problem in general:

You should be basing your groups on more than IO for sure, that’s like 10% of the should I invite metric. Also, to be fair, people have off days :person_shrugging:

All that aside, the fact remains that absolutely no one has come up with a way to punish so called leavers that’s better than the system we currently have. It’s also telling that these threads have popped up so many times over the years and Blizz has not changed the way non-queued content is handled. You’d have a better argument if you first argued for there to be a queue system for M+ where leaving penalties could be assessed. Good luck in that cesspool though.

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hmmm…

Oh man, that post. LOL

It’s almost a year old now, we’re in beta for anther expansion where m+ is just about locked down and no news further. Yeah, I read that when it was posted and file that under believe it when I see it. We all know the CC forums are a joke anyway.

My point still stands and this does nothing to refute it.

I am picturing Grandad playing chess with you as you say that. :slight_smile:

I mean, that’s cool and all, I’d play chess with anyone’s gramps.

You got a way to punish leavers in mind that’s better than the current solution? I’ve posted my suggestions several times on how to handle leavers. My point still stands that of all the times we’ve seen these threads Blizzard has not changed the way the content is formed and played. :person_shrugging:

They are slow moving, yea. But if a blue is confident enough to say that it’s been talked about before, then someone up there agrees that its an issue.