Believe what you like, friend. If by some miracle it turned out to all be false, fine. All I’m saying is with the way sexual harassment is inescapable for most women, you’d have to either be directly contributing to it or completely unaware to not believe these allegations are likely to be true. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
I have 4 sisters and none of them have ever been sexually harassed at work.
My family is all women with multiple females in every generation and only ever 1 male. None of them have ever complained of sexual harassment. It is actually not common.
I mean there are a lot of guys who are guilty of it, but to suggest that it’s commonplace at most (especially professional) work places is pure fiction.
I’m not going to argue with you about how common sexual harassment is. Yes, we both have different experiences with different women and one does not disprove the other. However, the facts are out there. Do the research if you care enough. To say it “is actually not common” is pure fiction and I have no idea where you got that from, but I’m going to leave it at that. Have a good one 
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To anyone who lives in the real world, it isn’t.
To anyone who gets their understanding of reality from the internet where every bad thing that happens in a world of billions of people makes headlines and makes things seem more common than they really are, I can understand how they would have that impression.
Being disadvantaged is a social currency nowadays and a large fraction of people are always campaigning to be considered so.
Haven’t you learned that people quickly forget things? We need to keep talking about it until something is done.
Like. The stuff outlined in the suit isn’t news to anyone who pays attention.
If only Blizzard had used this very thing before virtue signaling at the drop of a hat with certain folks.
And funny enough, even when there is OVERWHELMING evidence of the author they hired to write their book being quite nasty, to say it nicely, to white males, they barely make a sound.
The double standards are sickening but they are being revealed now it seems.
My experiences all come from the real world, as do the experiences of the other women I’ve spoken to about this. Just because you don’t know anyone who hasn’t experienced it (as far as you know) doesn’t mean it isn’t a massive problem. Like I said, the information is out there and five minutes of research will tell you all you need to know. I’m not trying to be a victim here, I’m just saying it like it is. That’s it. Have a good one (but for real this time)
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“I know literally four whole women, and none of them has told ME that they were harassed, therefore it hardly ever happens!”
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I brought up the closest personal relationships I have. I also have a job in a corporate workplace and have, as I said, a large family of almost entirely women.
People on the internet are always competing for victim points. That has no bearing on the real world. Very few people tolerate sexual harassment and it existing in a professional workplace in any significant magnitude in the west nowadays is pretty much impossible.
There is also an enormous double standard in that this crime is something that only men can be guilty of. A guy can say or do something very normal and innocent and it could be perceived as ‘sexual harassment’ by the victim crew. There is no equivalent with regard to female behavior.
I feel like if maybe you bothered to have honest conversations with a variety of the women that you know and encounter about their experiences with sexual harassment, discrimination and assault that you’d find out that a lot more was going on with them than they ever bothered to tell you, because why would they? Meanwhile you assume that no one going and sitting you down and telling you about their experiences specifically means that they don’t happen.
Yes, primarily female workplaces can also go toxic towards the few men that work there, Captain Whatabout, and I’ve seen it happen, and I’ve heard stories of it happening. It’s just as wrong when it happens in reverse, the only difference is that women seldom have the collective institutional power to actually hold back a man’s career advancement because of his gender.
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Just because they haven’t told you doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
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Not only that, but the issue is also exacerbated by other men. In many situations where a male has been the victim of sexual harassment, there have been droves of men saying things like, “I wouldn’t be complaining if I were you!” It’s terrible either way, and I only ever see people bring up the other side when they’re trying to invalidate the experiences of women.
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You don’t feel anything. You are just assuming whatever is convenient for your own argument. You don’t know any of the people I know or understand the relationships I have with them. Calling me “Captain Whatabout” when you are pretending to be psychic. lol.
And you are shifting the goalposts now with your second paragraph.
Male and female behavior are just perceived differently.
Guy flirts with female coworker = sexual harassment
Girl flirts with male coworker = nothing bad happened. It’s normal and innocent behavior.
In recent years, the definition of what constitutes sexual harassment has changed and it is only men who are ever considered guilty of this ‘new’ form of sexual harassment.
I am always going to oppose essentially criminalizing behavior that only some people can be found guilty of.
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No thanks.
I understand where you’re coming from. You’re right to an extent. But when you get used to a certain behavior, you have to be wary of of it no matter who it’s coming from. Most of us also know the difference between flirting and harassment, and we are talking about actual harassment. Flirting isn’t a crime and we all know that. No one is trying to criminalize behavior that only some people can be guilty of, we are simply talking about Actual Harmful Behavior, and sometimes people label it as flirting to avoid accountability.
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My opinion on the matter is that goes a long way towards the credibility of the allegations. They should be taken seriously.
I see it as a teaser trailer, a promise of the evidence they’ve collected that they plan to present. Until it has been presented though and Blizzard has had a chance to defend themselves, I’m not willing to pass judgement on anyone. No matter how much I think the outcome is a forgone conclusion.
I read the allegations and I think it is more likely than not that the allegations are true and that Blizzard bears a fair amount of responsibility for a tragedy they helped create. But I also believe it’s important to allow them their day in court. As important as it is to get justice for victims, it’s also important to make sure that judgement isn’t passed prematurely, no matter how confident we may be.
Nothing is lost by waiting for this to shake out. The lawsuit is already happening. There’s no reason to pass judgement today when judgement day is already on the calendar.
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Evidence is evidence.
Judges or Juries examine it and decide innocence or guilt based on it.
The more evidence and accounts that come to light, the more damning the evidence is for the accused.
Based on Twitter lighting up with former verified employees recounting sexual harassment by Blizzard, the evidence is credible enough ti proceed with, IMO, and most likely in a Judge’s opinion.
when numerous ex-blizzard employees already came out and said “yeah i was part of this, it’s real” or “not surprised in the slightest that this finally came out” i will definitely pass judgement today
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And what does that buy you that you wouldn’t get from waiting until we actually go through the legal process?
In the long run I think it’s better to not indulge the reactionary judgement reflex, lest we become too cavalier with it and the next person we condemn turns out to be innocent. I don’t think that the ends justify the means.
To reiterate I think it’s more likely than not that Blizzard is guilty of everything alleged. The difference is that I’m not willing to let that serve as an excuse for mob justice. To be honest, I don’t think that the question of whether or not the allegations are true is the actual issue here. Barring something truly exceptional, they likely are. But that’s not the only function we have the justice system for. What remains unanswered so far is who is culpable and to what extent.