Vulpera Discussion Megathread (Part 1)

07/07/2018 06:10 PMPosted by Theradrias
As for my opinion on which side they belong on, definitely Alliance though neutral could also work.

If Vulpera do end up on the Horde, then the devs obviously know next to nothing of the "faction identity" in WoW which they've kept spouting about as of lately. And honestly, they'd be doing the art team a disservice by wasting their effort on the race by giving it to the player demographic which has no interest in it (i.e. the Horde) as opposed to the Alliance who both us and the devs know would appreciate it far more.


I don't really understand your logic here. If we are going completely by looks, well, Horde was traditionally the faction with the anthropomorphic animal race in the first place. Is it because they are not monstrous, ugly, giant brutes? Well, that stereotype ended with Blood Elves, Pandaren and Nightborne. As did the stereotype of Alliance races being only for human looking races with the inclusion of Worgen.

In terms of culture and personality Vulpera fit in just fine with the traditional ideals of the Horde. They're former slaves, scrappy and sort of outcasts/underdogs. They're also not overly culturally sophisticated. They'd do just fine living in a Horde Hut. I don't think they wouldn't be able to adapt to Alliance life, but they already suit the Horde's lifestyle.

I also think you are basing what people 'want' based on your own interests and tastes. Vulpera would be something new for the Horde and definitely not everyone's taste. But is that really a bad thing? Why not something new? Something to break up the monotony of elf after elf and ugly monsters joining the Horde? I'm not saying there's not a place for more monstrous looking Races on the Horde too. But having a fox person on your team isn't gonna kill the horde.

So, yeah, I think something new and unique would be a good thing for the Horde. Likewise how I hope the Alliance get Sethrak as something new and unique. I think the real problem here is people refusing to adapt with the game as it grows. It isn't orcs vs humans anymore.
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07/06/2018 08:57 PMPosted by Nalthrex
On another note, Kiro's voice makes me melt and quiver.


AHAHAHAHAHA! :D
I really want a fox priest character riding a fox mount with my fox pet running behind me.
I honestly do love the idea.
I would play one in a heart beat.
07/07/2018 06:10 PMPosted by Theradrias
If Vulpera do end up on the Horde, then the devs obviously know next to nothing of the "faction identity" in WoW which they've kept spouting about as of lately. And honestly, they'd be doing the art team a disservice by wasting their effort on the race by giving it to the player demographic which has no interest in it (i.e. the Horde) as opposed to the Alliance who both us and the devs know would appreciate it far more
as others have probably pointed out my faction does not interact with the vulpera, when the alliance arrives in vol'dun they only ally themselves with vorrick and his sethrak.

also i would point out that during a interview, they said in terms of allied races they don't want the horde races to all be tough looking, and they don't want the alliance to all be cute and charming.
07/07/2018 09:04 PMPosted by Withpuppys
07/07/2018 06:10 PMPosted by Theradrias
If Vulpera do end up on the Horde, then the devs obviously know next to nothing of the "faction identity" in WoW which they've kept spouting about as of lately. And honestly, they'd be doing the art team a disservice by wasting their effort on the race by giving it to the player demographic which has no interest in it (i.e. the Horde) as opposed to the Alliance who both us and the devs know would appreciate it far more
as others have probably pointed out my faction does not interact with the vulpera, when the alliance arrives in vol'dun they only ally themselves with vorrick and his sethrak.

also i would point out that during a interview, they said in terms of allied races they don't want the horde races to all be tough looking, and they don't want the alliance to all be cute and charming.

Plus I don't care what faction they are.
If they are Horde I race change my Blood Elf.
If they are Alliance I level a new one...

If they can't be priest I cry all night.
07/07/2018 06:10 PMPosted by Theradrias
If Vulpera do end up on the Horde, then the devs obviously know next to nothing of the "faction identity" in WoW which they've kept spouting about as of lately. And honestly, they'd be doing the art team a disservice by wasting their effort on the race by giving it to the player demographic which has no interest in it (i.e. the Horde) as opposed to the Alliance who both us and the devs know would appreciate it far more.


Faction identity is far more about how a race thinks than how a race looks. Blizzard has time and again added races that broaden the visual palette of the factions rather than add more of the same. (With the notable exception of high mountain Tauren and lightforged.) Giving the Vulpera to the horde continues that effort.

As for whether the alliance players would appreciate them more, I can only speak for myself but as a horde player I would appreciate them a lot more than if I were alliance. I play horde out of necessity because it's where my friends play. Very few horde races actually appeal to me very much and adding Vulpera will make playing horde with my friends a lot more fun. When I alt on alliance just to get away from the Lich queen, I already have races I like.
07/07/2018 08:56 PMPosted by Moritz
I really want a fox priest character riding a fox mount with my fox pet running behind me.
I honestly do love the idea.
I would play one in a heart beat.


I've been thinking: What if the reason the Vulpera priests are reclusive enough not to be seen is because they've been doing some questionable stuff in the name of the light?

Sacrifices to the sun god maybe?

Blizzard's been showing the light has a darker side, this could play into that
07/07/2018 09:14 PMPosted by Eevee
07/07/2018 08:56 PMPosted by Moritz
I really want a fox priest character riding a fox mount with my fox pet running behind me.
I honestly do love the idea.
I would play one in a heart beat.


I've been thinking: What if the reason the Vulpera priests are reclusive enough not to be seen is because they've been doing some questionable stuff in the name of the light?

Sacrifices to the sun god maybe?

Blizzard's been showing the light has a darker side, this could play into that
or maybe they are just socially awkward, dont judge!
07/07/2018 09:17 PMPosted by Withpuppys
07/07/2018 09:14 PMPosted by Eevee
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I've been thinking: What if the reason the Vulpera priests are reclusive enough not to be seen is because they've been doing some questionable stuff in the name of the light?

Sacrifices to the sun god maybe?

Blizzard's been showing the light has a darker side, this could play into that
or maybe they are just socially awkward, dont judge!

Poor things. We should make the effort to get to know them and discourage sethrak bullies!
07/07/2018 09:14 PMPosted by Eevee
I've been thinking: What if the reason the Vulpera priests are reclusive enough not to be seen is because they've been doing some questionable stuff in the name of the light?

Sacrifices to the sun god maybe?

Blizzard's been showing the light has a darker side, this could play into that


Taranis?? AHAHAHA!!!!!
07/07/2018 09:57 PMPosted by Grayphus
07/07/2018 09:14 PMPosted by Eevee
I've been thinking: What if the reason the Vulpera priests are reclusive enough not to be seen is because they've been doing some questionable stuff in the name of the light?

Sacrifices to the sun god maybe?

Blizzard's been showing the light has a darker side, this could play into that


Taranis?? AHAHAHA!!!!!


..what about Tanaris now?
Maybe the vulpera are more proto magical than anything else. They know the bare minimum needed as a nifty trick or novelty, but don't devote to a class.
07/07/2018 10:15 PMPosted by Waternebula
Maybe the vulpera are more proto magical than anything else. They know the bare minimum needed as a nifty trick or novelty, but don't devote to a class.


That would make then unique among playable races, which is interesting. But it would disappoint a lot of magic classes hoping to race change
07/07/2018 10:03 PMPosted by Eevee
..what about Tanaris now?


Society of Virtue!

Try to see how it creates the lightning!
07/07/2018 10:38 PMPosted by Eevee
07/07/2018 10:15 PMPosted by Waternebula
Maybe the vulpera are more proto magical than anything else. They know the bare minimum needed as a nifty trick or novelty, but don't devote to a class.


That would make then unique among playable races, which is interesting. But it would disappoint a lot of magic classes hoping to race change


Well at present moment. If they were to be inducted then they would be exposed to the class types and go all the way from that base
07/07/2018 11:24 PMPosted by Waternebula
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That would make then unique among playable races, which is interesting. But it would disappoint a lot of magic classes hoping to race change


Well at present moment. If they were to be inducted then they would be exposed to the class types and go all the way from that base


Since they are just being taught shamanism on the spot I suppose it's not unreasonable they could be taught arcane and light magic this way as well. I feel like fel magic would be a bit of a harder sell in that context though.

And it would probably rule out paladins though
07/07/2018 11:24 PMPosted by Waternebula
07/07/2018 10:38 PMPosted by Eevee
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That would make then unique among playable races, which is interesting. But it would disappoint a lot of magic classes hoping to race change


Well at present moment. If they were to be inducted then they would be exposed to the class types and go all the way from that base
That makes sense, they are crafty, clever survivalists. It would make sense that they would adapt quickly and find nitches and roles when exposed to a new culture. They should pick up new skills quickly lore wise.
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Well at present moment. If they were to be inducted then they would be exposed to the class types and go all the way from that base
That makes sense, they are crafty, clever survivalists. It would make sense that they would adapt quickly and find nitches and roles when exposed to a new culture. They should pick up new skills quickly lore wise.


If this is the case I feel we can expect shamans, priests, mages and monks but not warlocks or paladins. I feel like fel magic would be a difficult thing to sell to the vulpera, both because legion probably made it taboo to openly seek new recruits and because I think the vulpera would be wary of something that inherently dangerous. Paladins I don't see happening because it appears to be a far more difficult thing to teach the uninitiated. The Tauren may be up to the task as mentors but I'm not sure Vulpera as we know them would generally make good students
<span class="truncated">...</span> That makes sense, they are crafty, clever survivalists. It would make sense that they would adapt quickly and find nitches and roles when exposed to a new culture. They should pick up new skills quickly lore wise.


If this is the case I feel we can expect shamans, priests, mages and monks but not warlocks or paladins. I feel like fel magic would be a difficult thing to sell to the vulpera, both because legion probably made it taboo to openly seek new recruits and because I think the vulpera would be wary of something that inherently dangerous. Paladins I don't see happening because it appears to be a far more difficult thing to teach the uninitiated. The Tauren may be up to the task as mentors but I'm not sure Vulpera as we know them would generally make good students
Also horde paladin takes either iron clad dedication to a religion (tauren) or a magical connection to a mega source of light magic (blood elf). They dont seem to groove with that tbh so yeah, no paladin. Although, I can see them being willing to make deals, outwit and sign contracts with demons.
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If this is the case I feel we can expect shamans, priests, mages and monks but not warlocks or paladins. I feel like fel magic would be a difficult thing to sell to the vulpera, both because legion probably made it taboo to openly seek new recruits and because I think the vulpera would be wary of something that inherently dangerous. Paladins I don't see happening because it appears to be a far more difficult thing to teach the uninitiated. The Tauren may be up to the task as mentors but I'm not sure Vulpera as we know them would generally make good students
Also horde paladin takes either iron clad dedication to a religion (tauren) or a magical connection to a mega source of light magic (blood elf). They dont seem to groove with that tbh so yeah, no paladin. Although, I can see them being willing to make deals, outwit and sign contracts with demons.


Only three kinds of people seek fel magic.

Those who are reckless, or short sighted, like the orcs

Those who are arrogant and power hungry like the eredar.

And those who are desperate like the blood elves.

Vulpera on the other hand are master survivalists, they recognize things that are dangerous and only confront them if necessary. They would recognize that fel magic is a hazardous hobby and not take it up blindly

Living under the thumb of the sethrak, they are certainly not arrogant or prideful enough to believe themselves too strong to succumb to fel machinations.

And while in a bad situation, their lives are about to improve with the protection of the horde. They are not desperate enough to believe dark bargains are their only option.