Please change the 30 min cool down from being removed from a dungeon. People are abusing it. The technology in the game can do better to protect ALL players and promote a more positive experience to keep players coming back for more!
The whole purpose of this system should be to promote positivity while grouped with others. The game should decide who gets a punishment not the other players in the group. Therefore a player who takes an action to leave the group and disrupt the gameplay of the four other people should be the one to get the 30 minute cool down.
No one else in the group should be punished because someone chose to leave the group prematurely. That way the game is deciding through data who we’ll get the 30 minute cool down and not some arbitrary vote from a group of strangers who have no accountability when voting someone out of a group.
The Better way to do it is to replicate the system in Final Fantasy 14 where the second, third, fourth and fifth players can then leave and reform in the party finder immediately because they didn’t do anything to deserve a punishment or a cool down of 30 minutes.
This is also a much more positive experience for any player who may be struggling with doing a certain class role in a dungeon and will also put more accountability on the group to be positive and help that person as opposed to penalize them. The game can be fair and can create accountability five random strangers in a party Finder group are not as capable of being fair or indifferent to somebody’s skill level as the technology in the game can be because the technology doesn’t care it’s only responding to the action of an individual player and not the arbitrary actions of four other individual players.
I believe if Blizzard gets enough reports about this they will change it. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Vote kick is being abused. Regardless what people think or say. Just cause it has not happened to you doesn’t mean its not happening. People are exploiting vote kick to gain a advantage in random dungeons. It has also come to my knowledge that people are exploiting this feature to hog boss loot. They can toss kicks before a boss is defeated to get all the boss loot. This can also happen in LFR they boot you out so you cannot roll on a raid gear piece. They think that less rollers meaning easier access to raid gear. This is exploitation.
Vote kick can also be trolled by trolls to slam a 30 minute debuff on some random guy that has no control over the matter. Type in some nonsense response in reason box and have 4 other people mindlessly hit yes to get the box off the screen. So the victim has to wait 30 minutes with no fault of his own cause some troll decided to throw a troll kick for the giggles.
Rather anyone believe me or not matter’s not cause it is happening and it is happening now. Trolls exist and will take advantage of anything to grief someone else. Despite what Blizzard says. Rules can be changed. Guides can be changed. We come to forums to make a suggestion.
Can I ask that you look around you and observe what is going on around you. Is Vote Kick really functioning correctly despite what Blizzard says? Can we take the time to put it under scrutiny? Just be honest with yourself.
So healing normal dungeons tonight, trying to learn and level, I have been removed 2 times already. It’s supposed to be a game and supposed to be fun; and this is not fun. This just makes me not want to play the game.
The whole purpose of this system should be to promote positivity while grouped with others. The game should decide who gets a punishment not the other players in the group.
I don’t care if people vote to kick, but the deserter for getting kicked seems excessive. Make it a 3 strikes system: If you get kicked 3 times in 24 hours you get banned from LFG for the next 24 hours.
Where is the actual evidence this is being abused other than anecdote on the forums? Where is an actual stat people can point to? Simply because someone was kicked doesn’t make it malicious. You have no inherent right to make people group with you. If someone is constantly being kicked they are the problem. I see people whining about vote kick alot yet none have cited an actual statistic to demonstrate there is an issue.
The goal is not to protect all players. Don’t know what rock you’ve been living under but no vote kick and no debuff means all of the good players suffer. Trusting everybody to just be good is insanity.
The more fair way to do it is to replicate the system in Final Fantasy 14 where the first person to leave gets the 30 minutes time-out; either that or the group can vote to abandon. the second, third, fourth and fifth players can then leave and reform in the party finder immediately because they didn’t do anything to deserve a punishment or a cool down of 30 minutes.
Game action equals game/Blizzard consequence. – Not what we have currently; where Vote to Kick (V2K) is player action = player determined consequence.
People, especially tanks and healers, were abusing the vote-to-kick by holding groups hostages in order to get around the deserter buff, and since they had like instant queues, this made it pretty much hard for others who wanted to complete the dungeon or DPS who didn’t have instant queues.
That is the reason why it was introduced to being vote-kicked out of the dungeon.
You have to understand, people value their time. And you should probably learn to heal properly before entering group content and expect people to put up with a newer player despite not having to.
Nobody is entitled to a spot in a group in real life or in games, you earn your keep in 99% of situations. I understand it’s leveling and not exactly end game content, but people are used to just crushing lower level content to rapidly gain exp and reque for a rinse and repeat on fast xp gain. And usually it’s the tank or healer dragging the group behind on pace.
All the advice I can give to you is level through questing, get used to your rotation, spells, cds, frames, etc, then go into group content.
It’s not like dps don’t get the boot for low dps, or tanks don’t get shelved due to slow pace, or being bad at holding aggro on packs of mobs.
Correct, it is a Blizzard system, thanks for the link!
“The system is entirely under the control of our players. Players may choose to remove any other player from the group for any reason, provided the vote to kick passes.”
However this is not the most fair or positive way to deal with a dispute which is why players don’t get to control or vote about harassment or chat violations Blizzard/The Game does; it mutes the chat by a function in the game called ignore. However the player offended does not ban or timeout the player who is accused of offending; again Blizzard does either by game system “ignore” or by Game Master–Blizzard employee following Blizzard rules and regulations.
V2K is not an action by Blizzard but to be more fair, and to promote more positivity by avoiding potential player abuse this should not be how group problems are handled.
A: if the feature was working correctly, we would not have repeated forums posts about it. And we would not have stories of this feature giving 30 min de-buffs on people who do not deserve them.
B: A little bit of true/ false formulas implemented into the kick system and descriptions could correct a large portion of the problems. Have AI double check the logs to see if i the issue description stands correct.
Example: The group kicks for the hunter pulling an extra pack of mobs. The AI could review the logs to see that the hunter agroed no mobs and the tank simply didn’t see the pathing mobs. Then it could remove the deserter buff off the hunter. The group could play as they wish, and the hunter does not get punished for an act they did not do.
It would require a little bit of programing. However, if Blizzard jumped on this now, they would be in the lead to implement an AI review system.
That and stealing the FF14 starting bubble would allow players to buff, say hello and start the dungeon at the same time. (as a rogue in time walking I need time to poison my daggers every time).
Players policing players in a public group is not fair and is prone to potential abuse.
The game is fair because:
Game action equals game/Blizzard consequence. – Not what we have currently; where Vote to Kick (V2K) is player action = player determined consequence.