This flawed system is routinely abused by players, but gamemasters refuse to investigate specific examples of bad behavior when you open a ticket. In fact, you are told to go elsewhere, and they force close your ticket entirely.
Player behavior that prevents others from playing the game is against TOS by definition. Not only are we kicked but then we are slapped with a punishing 30 min debuff even though we didn’t elect to leave the group etc. There should be a distinction.
So many of us are friendly players with zero action against our account in 20 years, just trying to report bad behavior (and feel like someone at blizzard gives a damn).
What happened to CS and where does all our money go?
Bliz says the tool cant be abused so these jokers thinks that means you cant abuse PLAYERS with it either, lmao
A hammer is a tool to make things with. To create, to remove, to do positive things.
But I can use that hammer to abuse my neighbors property.
No, Im not abusing the tool…the hammer…Id be abusing the target of the hammer
THAT is what these jokers fail to accept.
The tool doesnt NEED to be abused for the PERSON to be being abused with that tool.
so much for that social contract that blizzard doesnt bother to enforce and everyone ignores anyway
You guys, if you’re even telling the truth because I’m still convinced it’s the same handful of people making these threads…
Anyways, you guys are blaming the wrong people. There was a time when there wasn’t a 30 minute debuff and the player base abused the crap out of it. Recently, people starting abusing the “you don’t get a debuff as long as you kill the first boss” too so Blizzard had to change that as well.
So what do you want Blizzard to do? Do you want dungeons to be a revolving door where tanks and healers are joining then dropping like flies? Do you want trolls to go unpunished? What is YOUR solution to this and I’m going to tell you that whatever you come up with, shady people will find a away to exploit it.
I’ve been doing queue content since it was put in the the game and the funny thing is I don’t see these roving packs of kick abusers and the rare times I see a kick vote pop up, I vote no if they didn’t give a good reason. I can count on one hand how many times I’ve been kicked and both times were worth it.
Blizzard does not force people to play with someone. Period. The majority has the tools to kick someone for any reason, or no reason. Blizzard does not get involved in the process. They can kick you for having a hat they don’t like. That is not against the rules.
That is why Blizzard will not let you submit a ticket for anything related to vote kick and won’t investigate it.
It is not against the rules to kick someone for ANY reason.
If someone uses language that is against the rules, that would be something they can help with. Right click the line of language and report.
Here is the Support article on it
The debuff exists because people doing the random dungeon queue would get upset they got a dungeon they did not want, like Oculus. To avoid the leaver debuff, they would troll and refuse to play until the group was forced to kick them. That behavior is why a debuff exists on kicks - because players asked for Blizzard to do something about it.
It is not a perfect system, but it is currently the compromise that exists between preventing poor behavior, and a free for all.
If you wish to control who is in your group, create your own group.
It’s not flawed just because you got kicked. There is also nothing to investigate because the group didn’t do anything wrong by using a tool given to them to remove you from a group. Blizzard isn’t going to play mommy and daddy to groups and tell them “let your little brother Spellhaus play with you or you’re grounded.” You have no inherent right to force people to group with you and if the other people of the group don’t want you there for whatever reason, they have every right to boot you from the group. Maybe you pulled too much, maybe your DPS is too low, or they just don’t like gnomes. Regardless if the other 4 people don’t want you there, blizzard isn’t going to force them to play with you.
Second, booting you out and you eating a 30 minute penalty is NOT against ToS or nor is it abuse, but the system working as intended. If you want to get mad at the 30 minute penalty, blame the moronic healers and tanks who abused the system early on by holding groups hostage demanding to be booted because “I’m not doing Oculus” or similar that would immediately requeue into another group.
Next if you’re constantly being booted, then YOU are the problem. Statistically is there someone out there who always falls on the wrong side of a boot through no fault of their own, possibly. However no one has ever seen this mythical being. Plenty routinely claim to be said person but never prove it. In fact they prove what we all know, almost everyone who gets kicked knows why they were kicked, they just don’t want to say it. There’s also no bad behavior to report in this instance because they did nothing wrong by removing you. Don’t do things to get kicked and you won’t have to worry about the penalty.
I’ve been kicked from one single dungeon in the 18.5 years that I’ve been playing this game, and it was 100% my fault and justified.
If you’re over here getting kicked on the regular that it’s become a problem for you enough to make a forum thread about it, then dude, you need to look inwards at why you’re getting kicked so often.
Looking at the OP’s Achievements, they have achievements going back to at least 2009. I only checked Feats of Strength.
The Vote to Kick system has been in place, unchanged, since they started playing - or at least while they were playing.
The OP is not a new player coming from a different system. I am not sure why they would expect Blizzard to punish people for using the VTK system exactly as Blizzard intended for it to be used.
Just because I say something you don’t like doesn’t mean I’m trolling you.
My point wasn’t it doesn’t happen, my point is if this is such a huge problem then why doesn’t the majority of us experience or see it happen enough to say there’s “abuse” going on?
How many hundreds of dungeons have you run? Is it in the thousands? Now, how many times have you been kicked? Compare these two numbers and tell me if it’s as big of a deal as you’re making it out to be.
And you sound like someone who got kicked and wants to whine about it and play victim even though you know exactly why you got kicked but want to play victim. Your anecdote alone doesn’t make something true. Show us these people who are vote kicking people for the lulz even though it diminishes their own ability to kick. By all means show us one concrete and verifiable stat of any kind that there is a vote kick abuse epidemic going on. That’s if you have the spinal fortitude to do it.
And feedback is why the 30 minute penalty was added when someone gets kicked. So that doesn’t help you there. Unless you’re getting kicked constantly which is a pebcak problem on your end, you have no reason to worry about the penalty.
I suggest you not make assumptions about me based on the color of my text or base your reply to me around it.
Explaining how the system works, does not indicate my personal thoughts about it. I gave you information. I do not “stand in the way” of anything. I can’t remove your posts, edit them, or change anything about your feedback. You are free to give it, just like everyone else.
Please leave your personal insults and assumptions out of the discussion.
If you want my personal opinion? It is that Blizzard should not play kindergarten teacher and force people to play together when they don’t want to. Giving a group the tools to decide who they want to play with is not perfect, but it beats being forced to stay with a party member nobody wants to play with.
Can the system use improvement? Sure. That is what constructive suggestions are for though, not personal attacks on someone because of the color of their text.
Indeed. I forgot to mention that. Kicking repeatedly does have an internal cooldown that will prevent someone from kicking for a while if they use it too often. Blizzard has never given the details on exactly what the thresholds on it is though, probably to prevent people trying to skirt the limits.
Btw, Blizzard already listened to feedback on this but since none of you people creating these threads are being honest, you have never experienced it.
If you get kicked too often, a hidden cooldown is triggered to where you can’t be kicked for a certain length of time which gets bigger the more you’re kicked.
On the flip side of that, if you’re someone that uses your vote kick too much or you constantly drop group, your ability to trigger a vote kick gets put on a cooldown the more you vote kick or drop group to the point where you won’t be able to if you keep doing that.
the problem come in the fact that all the supposed solutions presented just make the situation worse rather than improve upon the system. its like trying to cure a cough with a carcinogen.
It is not. You have not provided useful feedback to make the system better in the eyes of many folks, which is why people are disagreeing with your ideas.