I wonder if this might be a thing they add next xpac.
Has this been suggested and would you play it?
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Explain how and why there would be void or nightborne DH. It has to make sense. No retconning.
Void elves happened way after there was a need for DH.
Nightborne were isolated completely until legion.
DH transformation isnât something that happens over night, takes years of training and a deep personal desire to disregard the cost and give up everything for the power to fight demons.
I donât think when the invasion (legion) is actively happening would be a good time to carve out your eyes. And seeing as we stopped the burning legion, I donât think people would be affected by demons enough to go through such a horrific ritual; to combat an already beaten foe.
Thatâs how I see it.
Open minded to you changing my mind, but from where I sit it seems like another terrible idea that further erodes established lore. Shoehorning stuff into the game is bad. Retconning is bad. See shadowlands.
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Its been years since void and nightborne came out. Thats enough time for the training transformation thingy.
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Established lore up to Legion was that only 5 blood elves were trained to become DHâs. It was retconned in Legion to give the Horde playable DHâs. Almost everything in the game is a retcon to accommodate playable stuff.
Illidan was around on Argus, where there were plenty of demons to train new DH recruits. All they have to do is make a starting experience similar to allied race DKâs. Have Illidan on Argus greet new velf and nightborne DHâs before they take a portal to their faction capital. Bring Liam Oâbrien back to do some voice lines and boom. A retcon but something that could, and should, have happened during Legion honestly. Obviously this wonât happen but it would be nice.
As stated already, Iâd sooner have draenei and orc DHâs. The draenei meta forms would be easier to add in since Kilâjaeden and some npcâs/bosses in Antorus already look like havoc draenei DHâs.
Inevitably Sargeras and Illidan will return one day, and that is when theyâll make DHâs playable for more races. I canât see an expansion being called âThe Last Titanâ without Sargeras being involved somehow, someway, but I guess weâll have to wait and see.
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Why would they be training though? Legion defeated, Sargeras on house arrest, Illidan serving as PO, demons no longer limitless. Seems like bad writing if they were to do that, but thatâs just my take given the aforementioned facts.
Idk why you think there was 5? Read the book man.
So basically youâre saying insert these elves, that have no reason to be there (because one was isolated and one wasnât even created yet), into an 8 year old expansion? All because? Just because?
Orcs are too dumb and illidan doesnât trust the Draenei. Akamaâs duplicitous betrayal aside, 2/3 of them are the OG burning legion band wagoners and other third were cowards fleeing them across the stars.
Iâm sure theyâll figure out a way to ruin the class eventually. Hopefully itâs at last 3 expansions away.
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In TBC Illidan only trained 5 blood elves to become DHs. 3 of them died, 1 went insane (Leotheras the Blind a boss in Serpent Shrine Cavern) and Varedis Felsoul was successful in becoming a DH but was a killable NPC in the quest âVaredis Must Be Stoppedâ in TBC. Of course Varedis was brought back and it is how havoc DHâs get their glaives in Legion. At one point, this was established lore and then Blizzard changed it to include playable belf DHâs in Legion.
If youâre referring to the Illidan novel, it is a retcon, as Iâve pointed out. I own it, its my favorite WoW novel.
The game is just a long history of retcons, especially where playable races are concerned. I personally look forward to more DH races so to each their own.
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I donât recall Illidan training any Void Elves or Nightborne, so no. He undoubtedly trained some elves from Suramar, but they left with him before the barrier was erected, before they were transformed into Nightborne. Read the book âIllidanâ and youâll get the DH origin story.
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I wouldnât play either because a) both Void and Nb are too skinny for my tastes; b) no shadowmeld; and c) Void stance suggests hip problems.
Thats not how blizzard works. Retconning is allowed
Reconning is awful in almost every case and is rejected by the community. Itâs allowed, but always should be used with care and when absolutely necessary.
This is not one of those necessary instances
Its what blizzard does. The first major retcon was changing eradar from a demon race from the nether to a race curropted from fel exposure. All to allow draeni to be playable.
Honestly i agree that void elfs and nightbkrne shouldnt get dh for the sole reason that i dont play dhs for elves and more elves for dhs doesnt solve anything.
Give it to orcs, draeni, zandalari (demonics literally trap a demon soul inside them to improve there physical attacks and speed its just the troll version of a dhs so lorewise its fine).
Iâm fine with more niche classes, that are in essence similar, but I donât see what makes it okay to bastardize an existing/established class for the sake of a few peopleâs âbut I wannaâ
Toys exist to let you play other races or faction without ruining the gameâs lore.
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Those classes would just be the same no? They arent going to make a niche class to fit everythijg itll just say dh just as all paladins have the same abilities even tho some use the sun god anshe, some use the loa, some use naaru, and some just use the light.
The silverhand basterdizing the paladins for new options sucks tho i will agree. I know most kul tirans would want their paladins to be based on rhe ember people and not on the silver hand.
Allowing any race to be any class = throwing story out the window and surrendering to those who just want looks cool who cares. May as well stop having quest text and cinematics. Poop on the story, no one cares anymore.
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I feel like we are more likely to get playable orc and draenei (eredar) DHs before any other race. Orcs already drank the blood of mannoroth, so there could be potential to explore those who may have an innate ability to tap into the powers of fel and undergo an adjacent ritual to becoming a DH.
Similarly, we now have defected eredar joining the draenei and by extension the alliance. They undoubtably have a strong connection to fel and demon kind and with their newfound repentance may wish to hunt the very demons they once served.
For those who follow the lore, Fel Orc or Broken would make more sense. Both were at Black Temple when Illidan was training his demon hunters. Canonically, Illidan is the only one who knew how to manage the process of creating demon hunters. By everything we know so far (the novel Illidan, the npc mobs seen training at Black Temple), he only trained elves. But the others at least were in his service.
What the Manari are doing now is irrelevant. Illidan is not here, and thereâs nothing to suggest he is training new DHs. It would have to be those he was training back in BC times. Every DH today was transformed by Illidan then.
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Itâs definitely been suggested before (by players), and Iâd 100% be on board with it. Allows for more DH customization. Iâd love to see this, and the ability to customize the Metamorphosis appearance.
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I absolutely support customization for Meta. Not so much adding races that donât make sense lore-wise. Out of curiosity, would you describe yourself as someone who cares more about cool appearances than lore? Like, do you read quests, or just skip to objectives? Maybe ignore world content altogether? NOT JUDGING - there are many ways to enjoy our silly video game. All good. But my hunch is that players wanting new race/class combos that donât fit existing lore are those who donât care much about the story anyway, and just want to look cool. I would describe myself as someone who wants both - I want a story to explain what weâre doing, and I want the gameplay to be consistent with the story.
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In the illidan book there was a event where illidian was preparing to fight a bigger foe after the legion. That was the void.
With the legion in scraps and the void being a main theme in the upcoming expansions it only makes sense for new dhs to be born in order to fight them.
Hopefully thay opens up more races. The new harronir look to be an upcoming allied race and since they use night elf skeleton it would be very easy to have them be dhs maybe with a fel bat meta form?
A bat elf with tusks would make me main my dh again which i miss dearly.