📩 "Void" the Silver Covenant

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

It makes zero sense to flip the Silver Covenant into Void Elves.

Okay, though with the reasons I gave above during my past posts would you care to explain why?

[anon8718902]

okay, though with the reasons I gave above during my past posts would you care to explain why?

If you had read my previous post, you’d know why. Void Elves need to not have a Mary Sue reconned story. And that’s what you’re promoting here instead of getting a new story, with new Lore.

You want to absolve HE’s. And that’s fine. But find a better, more creative way to do it than just asking for them to be taking over by Void Elves.

It makes sense for them to Help them, but nothing more. Void Elves don’t follow the same path as they do. There would be conflict of interest.

[Domrael-moon-guard]

I don’t like the idea. I also don’t like that Void Elves are a thing. I’d rather just have High Elves as a playable Allied race.

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

find a better, more creative way to do it than just asking for them to be taking over by Void Elves.

It makes sense for them to Help them, but nothing more. Void Elves don’t follow the same path as they do. There would be conflict of interest.

I didn’t ask void elves to take over them, I said some Old God would and the Void Elves would have to help them, it’s better than just them being inevitably destroyed.

Void Elves need to not have a Mary Sue reconned story

Okay buddy, how exactly was that a Mary Sue story? Because they were helping a faction that was once part of the Alliance? Before you say it’s out of character i’ll remind you Umbric and his elves volunteered to join the 7th Legion instead of jut studying Void Artifacts for the Alliance, it’s clear from that, that they want to take a more active role in the faction related story.

Is it weird? maybe it is, but as i’ll tell poster below you, they’re here to stay and their story will only keep growing.

I don’t like the idea. I also don’t like that Void Elves are a thing. I’d rather just have High Elves as a playable Allied race.

Again, not the topic to discuss this but Void Elves are here, and they’re here to stay.

[anon8718902]

buddy

Not your Buddy.

Because they were helping a faction that was once part of the Alliance?

Even by adding them to the Silver convent, you’re essentially rewriting their own culture. Void Elves do not do not practice the same values. Their very nature dictates this.

It’s the same reason why they Can’t be Paladins.

It Should create a conflict of interest.

EDIT: Just because they are studying it doesn’t really mean anything. You’re taking one example and trying to shoe horn fit them into the narrative you’re trying to create. That’s a very Mary Sue/Gary Sue thing to do.

[Vexander-wyrmrest-accord]

Again, not the topic to discuss this but Void Elves are here, and they’re here to stay.

I think you need to accept that discussion on High Elves is going to happen in your thread discussing something happening to High Elves.

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

Even by adding them to the Silver convent, you’re essentially rewriting their own culture.

That was the point of this thread, their story has nowhere else left to go so it’s best if it was reused.

Void Elves do not do not practice the same values.

How? the only difference between High Elves and Blood Elves, is their values and opinions within the Alliance Umbric specifically mentions that Void Elves always “believed” in the Alliance’s “Values” during the first arc of the Alliance war campaign, is the writing weird? yes it is, but it’s clear they were being set up to be similar to the High Elves which is why I recommended the silver covenant to join them. (through an old god related event, that will have to make them ask the void elves for help.)

Can’t be Paladins.

Good way to introduce Void Elven Death knights, since Ion said he wanted to give
Allied Races Death Knights

It Should create a conflict of interest.

Yes it will, that’s why I said it would have been done through some sort of event to which both forces would not have control over

Mary Sue/Gary Sue

WoW is a story filled with “Mary Sue’s”

Just kidding Explain to me how Silver Covenant Joining High Elves is by definition a “Mary Sue” thing to do.

trying to shoe horn fit them into the narrative

is not the definition of a mary sue, it means the lack of flaws.

I think you need to accept that discussion on High Elves is going to happen in your thread discussing something happening to High Elves.

This is not anti high elf, I never suggested High elves still won’t exist after

I am considering them to become playable by a small bit in these threads

should be more represented compared to the high elves while high elves still aren’t

some context to the last one I meant void elves, but again not the topic

[Vexander-wyrmrest-accord]

That was the point of this thread, their story has nowhere else left to go so it’s best if it was reused.

So you’re basically saying all of the story the Void Elves have right now should be dropped and they should take on the High Elf story?

In that case, the Silver Covenant should absorb the Void Elves, not the other way around. The Mages of Dalaran find a way to cleanse the Void Elves, and they become High Elves, and join the Silver Covenant. The race’s name is changed to, ‘High Elf,’ the racials are changed to be less void inspired, and all but 1 or 2 customization options all are changed to be more High Elven.

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

So you’re basically saying all of the story the Void Elves have right now should be dropped

The Void Elf story so far is about them using the void to aid the Alliance, and their later goal which most likely won’t happen is for them to reclaim silvermoon for the Alliance, which sounds like a very High Elven thing to do (aside form the void)

In that case, the Silver Covenant should absorb the High Elves, not the other way around. The Mages of Dalaran find a way to cleanse the Void Elves, and they become High Elves, and join the Silver Covenant. The race’s name is changed to, ‘High Elf,’ the racials are changed to be less void inspired, and all but 1 or 2 customization options all are changed to be more High Elven.

That means changing a playable core race so I can’t see it happening.

[anon8718902]

I think you need to accept that discussion on High Elves is going to happen in your thread discussing something happening to High Elves.

Not only this, but OP’s idea would destroy the remaining High Elven Culture. Changing their values to accept a very small faction of Void Elves.

Void Elves, out of all the allied races that came out of Legion, were the only ones that weren’t overly retconned. Shoe horned in? Yes. But they weren’t written in by rewriting Lore.

Give them an original story with their own Faction that grows their own culture and values, shows their struggle to maintain their will against the Void.

Let them grow into their own People.

That was the point of this thread, their story has nowhere else left to go so it’s best if it was reused.

No Where? Again, you’re not really that creative. I can see them as their OWN Faction without having to be tied to High Elves to make them matter.

yes it is, but it’s clear they were being set up to be similar to the High Elves which is why I recommended the silver covenant to join them.

That’s not how it read to me. It read to me they may share the core values, but their values on how and what kind of magics practiced are not the same. Nor did I get that it was setting them up to Join the Silver Covenant.

You read more into it than was really there.

Good way to introduce Void Elven Death knights, since Ion said he wanted to give
Allied Races Death Knights

Another reason why they shouldn’t be connected to the Silver Convent. Goes back to Magic practice.

DK’s are Demonic through the Dark Gift. Again, this very action stands against the High Elven why of life, their culture.

Explain to me how Silver Covenant Joining High Elves is by definition a “Mary Sue” thing to do.

See above.

[Vexander-wyrmrest-accord]

The Void Elf story so far is about them using the void to aid the Alliance, and their later goal which most likely won’t happen is for them to reclaim silvermoon for the Alliance, which sounds like a very High Elven thing to do (aside form the void)

I can’t say I’ve ever heard of High Elves talking about, “Bringing Silvermoon back into the Alliance,” that aren’t Alleria Windrunner, and most people can’t seem to decide if she is a Void Elf or a High Elf wielding the Void.

High Elves don’t mention anything about Quel’Thalas in general. They just want the Blood Elves to stay away from them, because they don’t trust them and disagree with them. The Silver Covenant takes this to the extreme of violence.

I don’t think you understand High Elves very well.

That means changing a playable core race so I can’t see it happening.

Stranger things have happened in MMOs. If it functions mechanically the same, doesn’t lose any class options, and allowed for people to still look like a Void Elf, then it’s not outright impossible. Unlikely, certainly. I don’t think it’ll ever happen. Just as I don’t think the Silver Covenant would become Void Elves.

[anon8718902]

is not the definition of a mary sue, it means the lack of flaws.

Mary Sue means more than “Lack of Flaws.” Mary Sue can even refer to the Self Inert, or even apply to rewritten Lore in order to fit the reader’s narrative.

Often called Fan Fiction.

Which is what you are doing. You are rewriting the High Elven Lore in order to insert Void Elves into a place they naturally do not belong.

It compromises the existing Lore to mash these two factions together.

The Silver Covenant has a very distinct Moral Compass when it comes to the practice of Magics. One that would be destroyed if they choose to accept Void Elves into their ranks.

You’re asking them to compromise that Moral code to fit a story you’ve written.

And that’s where the Conflict stems from. Not because they don’t share the same common values as the rest of the Alliance, but because they can never share the same belief in magic practice.

The Void Elves embody every thing High Elves stand against on that point.

[Ozrhyel-dawnbringer]

When I see all this talk about Blood/Void/High/Darkfallen Elves I can’t help to wonder how would Keal’thas Sunstrider (without his mana/fel adiction madness in effect) react in Lore…

The 3 Windrunner Sister have only cause more division among his people it almost feel like it might start a civil war… I wonder how would The High Elf prince react or handle this disputes… would it lead to become a neutral faction like Pandas and Dalaran…or a united nation like his father time in rule? Hmmm

[Silaena-lightbringer (Silaena)]

Looks like an anti-playable High Elves thread to me.

[Disdain-ravencrest]

Why wouln’t they? The void is a source of incredible power. Umbric’s group were loyal to the horde at a time too but they switched sides. Mark my words: the new void elves will be former blood elves as well.

[Nicodemùs-argent-dawn (Nicodemùs)]

That’s exactly what it is.

[Keihndeth-emerald-dream]

This thread should be titled, “If I can’t be a Blood Elf with blue eyes, no one can!” or “Blood Elf blue eyes or RIOT!”

[Haitahwa-argent-dawn (Haitahwa)]

Will Reply in a moment till then Stay on Topic guys

[Kilhub-khazgoroth (Kilhub)]

I would like to see how the Void Elves can be fighting the Void elements we have to fight when we are helping Magni save Azeroth in Nazmir and bringing MOTHER to Silithus.

At that point the Void Elves appeared to be the enemy to all of Azeroth!

[Roran-stormrage (Roran)]

First off it was not derailed it was an on-topic post. Secondly and again NO that’s just a bad opinion you have and it would make a large number of people angry.
Not just the High Elven fans but Void Elf fans as it would make no sense in lore.

Blizzard has made Void Elves already and lost their chance to make the SC into them, it would be stupid to find some weird way to corrupt them now. It’s one thing for Elves to study the void but that does not make them into Void Elves, that happened when a ritual to forcefully transform them into void beings was stopped 1/2 way in. Void Elves are not the same as Aleria.