Void Elf Paladin - This NPC Needs Fixing

You say there are contradictions, but there are not. There is nuance, but that seems lost on you.

And the original lore was space orcs summoning demons by sacrificing their souls while a human and warlock opened a portal across planets. Let’s not pretend it was a fully fleshed out cosmology, the original Warcraft lore was far less developed, the better cosmology and world we have now are miles above that.

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Playable shamans do not use decay, but they do use spirit which is a form of life magic.

If they did, calia would not exist as she is.

And shadowlands would not be… the current shadowlands.

I mean- it’s technically worse? So… Congrats?

If you think warcraft was ever “peak writing” you’re an idiot.

That’s every magic. The Light “tells” you to smite undead and enslave other races to it, even if you have good intentions. What do you think the Light bound are? They’re listening to “the light” which tells them to become tyrants. The light and the Void are the same. One just asks for order, which is more morally agreeable to human sensibilities.

Wrong, wrong, has been wrong, is SO wrong it’s not even funny, bro it’s insane how wrong this is.

Lightbound, Scarlet Crusade, Undead priests/Paladins, Scourge Paladins. The Light is just as “Evil” as the Void. One DEMANDS order, slavery effectively. The other invites chaos, complete anarchy. This is basic tropes that Warcraft is riffing BLATANTLY.

I’m not talking about Arthas- I’m talking about the first war paladins. Who were half preists given sword half warriors told “Hey pray and you get magic”. This resulted in a few DAYS before paladins started kicking death knight butt.

Not what happened.

She’s more akin to Uther than you think idk man.

You repeatedly being wrong and unwilling to accept hard evidence from the game right now is not my fault. There are void Elf paladins. There is no harder confirmation than that. My source is at the top of the thread. Deal with it.

Your conclusion is wrong, an assumption, and based on no evidence and directly contradicted by the game- in this very thread.

You’re walking up to the authors and telling them “THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU SAID IT DID BEFORE. YOU’RE WRONG!” and blatantly ignoring the MOUNTAINS of foreshadowing leading up to the inevitable moment the truth is revealed. If you understood 100% of how everything in the story worked, there wouldn’t be a story. Be willing to admit you were mislead intentionally by mysteries that were never explained, but now are. As far back as vanilla it was proven that “Light cannot abide Shadow” was inaccurate with Naxx. This is expanding upon that story line further. Just because you think you know better with what the writers have given you does not mean you’re right, it means you’re the dunning kruger effect.

Not for the reasons you think.

Not anymore, the misleads are real.

Gameplay mechanics aren’t exactly the best source of data- because if the netherlight crucible being balanced around not crossing the line is your evidence… Then a screenshot of a void elf casting holy spells should counteract your argument. I’m telling you, they’ve been drip feeding the “Light and shadow are actually two sides of the same coin” narrative for yearrrrrs.

No, you said the light has to be used by good people, and not “just because they think it’s good” when it is that simple, you have to believe you’re right to use the Light. Any regrets and lack of faith/will will cause it to be unusable. Thinking it should hurt you- will hurt you when exposed to it.

Thinking it should hurt you for being evil, but you’re still right, which is an insane inhuman thinking, gives us the Naxx boss who can use the light while working for the scourge and undead priests using the light despite it hurting them. And ALL undead KNOW they are evil, this has been a thing since Vanilla, they cannot feel emotion, or love, unless they are using the Light- which gives them back those emotions they had while they were alive, and the guilt and shame they feel for the horrible acts they did as one of the scourge in response causes the light to burn them.

Void Elves, while indeed filled with void- were not involved in killing innocents on a mass scale like every undead was. And can therefore, use the light alongside the void. Alleria- who has been constantly second guessing her new voidal nature, feeling guilt for “betraying” Xera and her husband, and effectively brainwashed by Xera (The lying light zelot) into thinking the light and void are inherently antagonistic to each other, believes the light would punish her should she be exposed to it, and so, it does. Turalyan probably ALSO believes this to be true, and so it’s a double whammy to the point she can’t even touch him.

Even in the Lightforged recruitment quest- it was proven that a Lightforged COULD fall to the void- despite being infused with it, and not literally explode. Everyone looks over it because it was a prophecy of the future- but it proves that the Light and Shadow aren’t incompatible, the “Light” and it’s agents (Naru) merely insist they are, despite having light and dark cycles themselves. While the Void has never been interested in correcting them.

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Yes we have. Literally in the lightforged recruit, there was a vision of a lightforged becoming a void user.

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Sensible or not, it’s there, always has been. If fact, the Light has been forced on them when they took away Shadow Heal.

Void Elves should not get to be paladins. Canonically they should not get to be non-shadow priests either.

Instead Blizzard could maybe finally bend the knee, unlock high elves, allow void elf players to freely change to them in the barber shop or choose them on the character select screen with the exception of high elf paladins who will be locked to that and unable to go void elf.

Nah, they’ll just ignore their own previous writing like always and do confusing garbage.

I’m excited about them coming too!!! :grinning:

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Nothing in the actual canon says they can’t use the light. In fact the lore actually points to them using it, and it has ever since Legion.

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b-b-b-but…
void elf priests can use holy spec… and disc…

poorple light pally? im into it.

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Just because the class can do something… doesn’t mean NPCs do or it’s canon.

Game Mechanics do not equal lore/canon. Void Elves are presented mostly as Riftwardens and their spell graphics aren’t even in a class.

Why do people keep saying this? Blizzard long ago even asserted how Forsaken are all primarily Shadow Priests if they are Priests.

That’s why Alonus Faol was such a big deal.

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LF Draenei do use the void as well. The duality of Light and Void beings using the opposite force has been a thing since Legion.

And they have less of a kick back to thier bodies then Alonsus Faol does.

We saw some Non LF Draenei in the army who may use void magic, yes. Draenei “shadow priests” are more Soul Priests. I never saw a LF Draenei using them though. Again, this is why it’s a poor tool to use classes, especially Priests. Night Elven priests wouldn’t look like the class.

Go back and check them out on the ship if you don’t believe me.

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There are in fact Lightforged Anchorites, who are in Shadowy Mog, and cast Shadow Spells.

They also operate the Netherlight Crucible.

Go look again.

Not to mention Void Elves now canonically use the light in tandem like Disc Priests.

So…

What is Shadowy Mog ?

Do you mean the priests who are in Xmogs like Shadow Priests? They are not LF, they are members of the Army of Light. No glyphs etc.

Not all of those on the ship were LF.

And again, Draenei have SOUL PRIESTS.

Priest mog, with purple/shadowy magic coming off of it, pretty self explinatory.

Not really, again go look at them. I was just there today. They are normal Draenei.

EDIT: Do the Draenei Heritage Armor chain as well, it shows again the Soulpriests. Do WoD again because those who fell to the void are the enemies.

They’re literally on Argus too, and the LF only version of the Vindicar.

But again on top of that, the lore literally now says Void Elves can use the light, just like Disc Priests.

Which not a single piece of lore said they couldn’t to begin with.

So, either way it’s a moot point.

What lore? Where? Cite it.

It’s in the new patch, in Telogrus rift, the NPCs talk about it, including Voidlight, and the Paladin herself.

But why don’t you try to cite lore that says they can’t use it?

Oh wait, it doesn’t exist. It’s just your headcanon.

As he says even though that very lore had been cited several times in this thread lmao