Void Elf Paladin make a lot of sense

[Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord]

WORGEN.

A CLASS MOSTLY OF UNARMED ANIMATIONS.

Why noooooootttttt?

[Lore-herod]

@Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord

I absolutely hate this concept.

Void Elf lore for paladin should follow the void. Not take away from it.

To each their own, I respect your differing opinion.

It was just an alternative concept and one that I certainly feel should be offered as an option in addition to the primary void elf paladin order that did entirely utilize Void rather than light. But for those that wanted to stick with Light in universe, but also keep their void identity too, they could.

[Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord]

@Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord

I wouldn’t mind seeing class fantasy in general expanded. Monks are, at their core, unarmed brawlers (ok, fine, there’s mistweavers, but still). They don’t necessarily need to be tied tightly to the pandaren stuff. Blademaster Telamon was doing things with fog and mist, and he was… Well, a Lightforged. Finding inner calm? If a void elf with the whispers can do it, a worgen dang well should. And there was never even a kinda good reason goblins shouldn’t be monks.

Yeah the no monks for Worgen, Goblins and LFD is very odd.

I can’t really figure why they were excluded.

[Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord]

Obviously because Blizzard is picking on me, personally. Only rational explanation.

[Prismriver-faerlina]

@Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord

If they are able to do everyone at once. They should.

From a business perspective they probably won’t. Why do every race at once when you can trickle and call it “new content” for brownie points

[Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord]

Oh I recognize that. I’m just salty about it.

Best case scenario they’d just put everyone to the same level and be done with it.

Ultimately it will probably follow Zandrae’s setup…

@Zandrae-wyrmrest-accord

While I like more for everyone, I feel that the order in which everyone is brought up to the same level matters:

Core races should be brought up to Dracthyr levels starting with those who have the least. Folks like Pandaren, Gnomes, and Forsaken, ending with orcs, humans, and night elves. Then allied races starting with the ones who have gotten the least additions and the ones who have the most going last.

I think that’s the most fair.

As such.

Just tired of waiting for things for not only my void elves but many other races.

Simple things like eye colors, hair options, tattoos, scars, and some amount of equalization between how that is setup.

Like both male and female Night Elves should have scars for body and head and tattoos for body and head.

Heterochromia and blindness options should be across the board and for both eyes in all eye colors.

Yada yada.

[Cezol-silvermoon]

@Prismriver-faerlina

From a business perspective they probably won’t. Why do every race at once when you can trickle and call it “new content” for brownie points

This is exactly what “pre-patch phase 1” was, trickle in non-content(UI and Talents) and call it new and actual content.

So we know Blizzard likes to do this, a lot in fact.

[Lore-herod]

I don’t think any void elf folks are asking to be placed at the front of the line. The threads are so when it is their turn that what they would like to see is taken into account during production.

Other groups of players that play different races should do the same. I for one still wait for a real pass for Pandaren.

Although personally I’d prefer class customization over race customization right now.

[Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord]

@Lore-herod

I don’t think any void elf folks are asking to be placed at the front of the line. The threads are so when it is their turn that what they would like to see is taken into account during production.

I think most people when they post in these sorts of threads are more on the line of “that sounds cool” than I need it now, but there are obviously some people who feel they should be immediate and now.

@Lore-herod

Other groups of players that play different races should do the same. I for one still wait for a real pass for Pandaren.

This. We need more customization threads where people can drop their ideas and wants and desires for those races. Preferably only one per race though… Not spamming constantly.

@Lore-herod

Although personally I’d prefer class customization over race customization right now.

I’m still more interested in race customization and added AR’s than class customization overall.

Just concerned that Blizzard will mess it up now they’ve apparently decided new classes is the hot topic and are ignoring race customizations.

[Lannislight-tichondrius]

@Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord

I think most people when they post in these sorts of threads are more on the line of “that sounds cool” than I need it now, but there are obviously some people who feel they should be immediate and now

If that were true so many people wouldn’t be trying to downplay what VEs have gotten.

Or get annoyed when it’s pointed out.

Or come up w concepts of “everyone should get a pass at the same time next” when okay that’s nice in theory once everyone’s on the same page. We can’t all be on the same page until we’ve all had 3 passes like VEs so once we’re all ready for a fourth pass then sure.

[Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord]

People are prone to hyperbole.

Especially when it fits their narrative. Or exaggerating things that have more emotional weight for them than they might for someone else.

That’s why I rather like comparing customizations numerically. But that’s my personal biases.

[Lannislight-tichondrius]

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

Because I know other races actually need customization time more, it would be disingenuous to act like Blood Elves need more before the races I listed it’s really as simple as that thus why I find people that say Void Elves are lacking to be insincere.

Both Naughtymoon and I have the same stance in that regard.

It doesn’t bother me to be pointed out Pandaren need more before BEs because it’s true. Etc etc and the list goes on.

I’d like to see peoples favorite races get fair treatment which rn means some races need to catch up.

[Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord]

Yeah, I think that’s what Fel was saying that most peoples’ views here are.

And, in my case, he’s right.

I talk more about void elves because, to be honest, there’s more conversation about them.

[Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord]

@Lannislight-tichondrius

If that were true so many people wouldn’t be trying to downplay what VEs have gotten.

Nah, most people don’t care as much as you and I do. The regulars care. But everyone else who just passes by is just “oh thats cool” or “nah fam”.

Thats as far as it goes for the average poster.

VE’s have gotten a lot of very impactful options. We’re effectively three races for Old Gods sake. Doesn’t mean everyone places the same value on all those options though.

I can be salty I didn’t end up getting the void options I wanted. I didn’t even actually get the full tentacle toggle I wanted. I did get the black and white hair… thats about all I got on my list of desired options.

Though I do generally expect and am often surprised by those who wanted high elf options still being so hostile about trying to get more more more. The one remaining high elf I have is very definitely a high elf as she is. I don’t need any other customizations to get her there. The most she could use is tattoos.

@Lannislight-tichondrius

Or come up w concepts of “everyone should get a pass at the same time next” when okay that’s nice in theory once everyone’s on the same page. We can’t all be on the same page until we’ve all had 3 passes like VEs so once we’re all ready for a fourth pass then sure.

Or they can just do everyone at once… so everyone gets what they need. I really don’t see much of a downside there.

Now that won’t happen most likely and if they’re going to do it piecemeal then yeah. I got no problem waiting awhile. I’m still gonna talk about what I want to see for Void Elves though. I’m not just gonna let Blizz forget.

[Nicodemùs-stormrage]

@Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord

I can’t really figure why they were excluded.

My guess for Goblins and Worgen is that it’s primarily due to their starting experiences being time locked prior to MoP and thus have no access to the teachings that became available after Pandaria was discovered. My answer to that is to force Worgen and Goblin Monks to start in Exile’s Reach. That addresses any discontinuity.

There’s really no reason Lightforge couldn’t have picked up instruction on Monk teachings though. They’ve been on Azeroth for a while now, and given the several year time skip post Shadowlands, there’s really no excuse why they can’t have access to the Monk class now. If the Void Elves, Nightborne, and Highmountain can have it, why not Lightforged?

[Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord]

T’Paaaaaaaaartos is an unarmed brawler and he’s your Lightforged introduction character, dagnabit.

[Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord]

@Nicodemùs-stormrage

My guess for Goblins and Worgen is that it’s primarily due to their starting experiences being time locked prior to MoP and thus have no access to the teachings that became available after Pandaria was discovered. My answer to that is to force Worgen and Goblin Monks to start in Exile’s Reach. That addresses any discontinuity.

There’s really no reason Lightforge couldn’t have picked up instruction on Monk teachings though. They’ve been on Azeroth for a while now, and given the several year time skip post Shadowlands, there’s really no excuse why they can’t have access to the Monk class now. If the Void Elves, Nightborne, and Highmountain can have it, why not Lightforged?

Yeah nowadays it really has little excuse for why those races alone can’t be monks.

@Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord

T’Paaaaaaaaartos is an unarmed brawler and he’s your Lightforged introduction character, dagnabit.

Like for real.

[Kneeshooter-amanthul (Kneeshooter)]

I suspect there is a difference between being able to use something on a class by switching a spec and intrinsically using both. It would be the same if you said that Priests could use both in the same spec in equal measure.

You can hardly turn into a Paladin while playing as another class entirely.

[Gaijinn-bleeding-hollow]

@Greatbrae-dalaran

Priests are not infused with either.

They channel their powers externally.

Selectively ignoring the fact that the argument states “coming into contact with x or y” and being predominantly either or leaves you with a fallacy.

No matter how you want to write it, it doesn’t matter. Alleria still can have physical contact with Turalyon despite your claim. This was clarified in the series. But I suppose we’re going to go down the reductionist path for the sake of advocating ideas you think are based in lore.

[Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord]

And as for the timelock, if a pandaren can wander over to visit the crashed draenei spaceship or Eversong falling apart, they should have been able to sample Kezan’s finest ales or check out what was going on behind the wall.