Good for you I am glad you’re able to have that take.
I’m also glad you’re able to receive the concept and importance of races that haven’t gotten things to be the focus before races that have.
I’m thankful for my second BE heritage quest but I coulda waited and been happier to know everyone elevated at the same time which can’t happen until we’re all on the same page.
But I’m glad suddenly you understand that concept if not in a different topic because I think I’ve seen your song change when it comes to customizations for VEs fourth pass right which not everyone is on.
Sometimes I feel a lot of this could have been avoided if Blood elves just went to the Alliance in Burning Crusade, it’d have at least given the Alliance a more darker race. (Would have made perfect Alliance Warlocks).
Makes me wonder how the Draenei would function if they went Horde though. Would it be mutual distrust or would the Draenei eventually forgive the Orcs under Thrall’s leadership? Perhaps questions better left to fanfiction.
EDIT: Well I had wanted to reply to Sledgehammer on Draenei Heritage armor and what I’d like it to look like, even having an old picture from Burning Crusade but Forums won’t let me post it.
Now it shone down on him, in him, through him, and he was forced to shut his eyes against the almost blinding radiance. It warmed at first, then seared, and he winced slightly. He fel—scoured. Emptied, scrubbed clean, then filled again, and he felt the Light swell inside him and then fade away to a tolerable level.
The light was obviously doing something to him. Most likely being infused by it. This was more then a religious thing.
Blood elves get’s light embued from the sun well, turean get’s gifted light powers from musha, same with zandalari being given light powers from rezan. Thereis always a prior source that needsto give you the powers, fir alliance paladins it’s always from a ritual involving a group of priests. All involved needs the initial infusion from a powerful source of light.
Still refuse to learn i see.
Priests are not infused with either.
They channel their powers externally.
Reread it. If you still don’t get it, do it again.
It clearly explains what was going on.
Then your lying to yourself or a blind follower to him.
Incorrect.
That explains everything.
I am fine with them honestly. At least it’s not something anti thematically to the class like a void being or and undead being becoming a paladin. I am not as hyped about it as others though. I did argue for one in the past before legion existed before i gained a better understanding of the classes.
I disagree, those who use the excuse of class skins to justify being able to use that class and willfully try to use the feature to bend lore is not a legitimate use of the fustomization feature, and goes against it’s spirit.
I disagree, i am “frantic” about against void race becoming a light infused class, it goes against both race and class themes, makes little to no sense, and goes against cosmic lore.
The anti word had became an insult to use. If anyone wants respect, i suggest we all drop that term.
Sane here, drop the term.
You know this is no longer true for void elves.
They came from the same people yes, but high elf they no longer are.
Stop.
Netherlight is not just light and void. It has arcane mixed in it as a stabilizer.
And we know what happens when mortals infuse themselves with arcane.
He is found near uther’s grave. He also is aligned to blood elves, which means he don’t consider himself a high elf. Blood elves get’s their paladin quests from him, with his orginal one despoiling uther’s grave, snd current ones acting in protection of it.
WoW don’t use traditional fantasy lore.
Honestly i don’t think the dreanei as they are would exist in the horde in bc. Ya mighta gotten ogres instead.
Reading such statements are so far from the reality. It’s just another “Worgen tail” situation, where either Blizzard or the community provoke the players to no end.
But given that this is a positive thing and led to the playable Alliance High Elves, you all have to thank the dismissive people in actually helping the supporters.
Once again, re-read what? The part that doesn’t even back up anything you have said?
Yeah, what ever makes you sleep at night.
There is nothing incorrect about that. Not my fault you can’t actually link any official proof of Paladins being infused with the light.
Then Blood Elves are no longer High Elves with that same statement. Is that what you are saying? Both Void Elves and Blood Elves are the exact same race: High Elves. There is nothing stating within the lore that either are not High Elves.
The lines are not blurred in the slightest and does not go against game mechanics > lore either. There are reasons such as why Shadow Priests might be able to cast light spells, such as PvP when locked out of a school of magic.
Aside from this, Priest are not Paladin. Paladin are crazy with the light. So crazy and ridiculous that one even let his wife be jailed for dealing with the Void.
Yet we’re expecting to see a big group of Paladins to say “Hey, let’s study the Void!”
If it happens, there should be a way better excuse than “Maybe some Paladins decided to” or “Priests can cast Flash heal”, because if that’s the lore reason… (Not saying is impossible, though. But far from a reason).
If it’s done, I hope it comes with a class skin or something. Although the race was ruined now after being made a sancocho of several themes (Barbie Elves, Undead Elves and Void Elves).
I’m still catching up on lore but to my understanding so far.
High Elves puffin’ Arcane - Blue eyes.
High Elves start puffin’ Fel - Green eyes.
High Elves die from Scourge - 10% remain.
High Elves eventually changed their name to Blood Elves in honor of the fallen.
Blood Elves can now return to Arcane puff, eyes can go Blue.
Blood Elves have always been High Elves.
So hello, I am High Elf, fear me or something because a lot of people here are so against High Elves and I’m not sure why. I’ve read the eye color changes on the matter of energy they get. So the gold eyes we pick from I assume it’s them sucking up Light.
That said, it’s kinda comical how Blood and Void elf players just go neck and neck about this and hate each other lol. We are all the same damn thing. Stop the hate.
Could always give Void Elves access to standard Paladins without the need for a class skin.
We know it’s possible to extract magic from creatures. So it’s entirely viable for Void Elves to remove the Void infused within them and keep it with them externally to remain “Void Elves”.
It could open the door for more external Void customization, like floating Void wings, Void orbs, and Void halos that represent the extracted Void essence.
Due to the Void not being inside them, that would make it viable for them to use the Light and thus be the tradition Light based Paladin.
My whole thing has always been poking for more for everyone. But again, we’ve done that dance before.
I like customizations. And I actually don’t have or intend to make many short elves, but I like seeing other people’s characters. And I figure if I help rabble rouse, maybe Bliz will revist and add more things.
You might be conflating me with another poster, though.
While I like more for everyone, I feel that the order in which everyone is brought up to the same level matters:
Core races should be brought up to Dracthyr levels starting with those who have the least. Folks like Pandaren, Gnomes, and Forsaken, ending with orcs, humans, and night elves. Then allied races starting with the ones who have gotten the least additions and the ones who have the most going last.
I think that’s the most fair.
While I’m posting I wanted to address some canon stuff because I’m a RP nerd above all else and people (not you, sledge) perpetuating misinformation is cringe.
According to this timeline, paladins didn’t surface on Azeroth until Warcraft 2.
According to wowpedia’s official timeline this is in year five.
Quel’thalas is invaded later in WC2. In the Sylvanas novel, characters respond to, “Paladin,” by phonetically sounding it out with a bit of confusion as if the elves had never seen and were not familiar with the concept.
According to wowpedia’s official timeline this is in year six.
Warcraft 3 happened and kael renamed the elves from quel’dorei to Sin’dorei was supposedly in year 20.
There’s nothing in lore talking about the establishment of an order of elf paladins prior to the fall of quel’thalas. There’s one that was a student of Uther who is a Blood Elf. There’s no significant notable high elf paladins in lore. Don’t you think that if there had been it would have been used to make a conflict between Bliod Knights and paladins who are more traditional with elf vs elf front and center?
Yet that didn’t happen.
I don’t think that fourteen year gap (that feels a bit large actually) between WC2 and WC3 is long enough to make a deep seated cultural tradition in a culture that lives for hundreds if not thousands of years.
So the claim that void elves should have paladins for the hIgH eLf PaLaDiN fAnTaSy doesn’t line up with actual lore—paladin is not a significant part of quel’dorei culture. That’s pure fan fiction.
Ask for a void skin if you want. (I personally think that’s silly.)
Ask for a normal paladin if you want. (I think that makes no sense and will make people explode.)
Don’t claim it’s part of a culture and canon when it’s not. That is disingenuous and makes no sense.
I do want void elves eventually brought up to the level of the other Legion allied races eventually…
I’m personally more miffed about poor dark irons because they’re my favorite, though.
I really want the red eyes uncoupled from the dark ranger skin (and more of those undead skins), red eyes available to death knights, and a version of that for the nightborn. I know Bliz just did the low effort version, but come on. Also I might actually use that look for nightborn monk.
I’d LOVE Void Elf Paladins, and there’s one of two ways I can see it happening without breaking (most) everything.
“Void” Elf in name only. (High Elves)
Add some lore or a small quest where a group of Stormwind HighElves (they exist) join their long lost kin. They could even disable the void customization options if they wanted to. They’d be Void Elves in game but not canonically, this option would be less work.
“Paladin” in name only (Void Knights)
Basically Pally’s but with Purple/Voidy spell effects. They’d be Paladins in game but canonically they’d be Void Knights, similar to how Tauren are actually Sun Walkers. This option would be more work BUT they could also potentially use the Void Knight aesthetic for Undead Palidans
Hopefully whatever they do happens sooner than later… I already have a mog planned.
My way all the options would be skins. Especially to return some amount of both racial and class flavor back to the game as well as to expand player choice overall. I’ve talked about this many times. I think I also had a thread about it back when I used Fezzy as my forum main though it was more “glyphs” then rather than “Class skins”.
Now I’d be using the void skins on my velves pretty much exclusively, I just haven’t really been able to keep a high elf going Alliance side without that slide right into the Void, but I am not opposed to options for those who want them.
I would be opposed to the lore of Void Elves involving the Light. That would be very antithetical to the lore of WoW and Void Elves as a whole.
This.
We don’t really see a culture of paladins in Quel’Thalas until after Blood Elves become a thing and we didn’t see any examples of high elf paladins until Wrath… and only one trainer and maybe a few unnamed npcs. We also see unamed npcs in the Legion order halls. So they have paladins now but I don’t think its a part of the “high elven” culture. At least not prior to Blood Elves taking the Light from Naaru. And thats… changed since. lol
This.
I won’t be unhappy with new classes for everyone and I am entirely fine with all races all classes. Gives me more story options.
But I don’t really think all class currently fit with all races and I am very afraid Blizzard will skip out on lore and making them fit for the easy route of just unlocking them.
Monk though really should be for everyone and I am 100% a fan of Orc and Draenei DH.
And kinda a not always appreciated take Warlock should be for everyone.
It was entirely a religious thing. Nothing there is concrete info and other sources suggest otherwise.
Look I admit its very subjective on how one takes those words but since its never actually been specifically stated its not really a true thing to claim that paladins are somehow infused. Its just never been the case. The Silver Hand has a ritual to bless their members from senior (or priest) members. Uther had his abilities to martially use the Light before he went through the ritual. We see that in his memories.
I don’t see any examples of actual Light being infused being a requirement for Paladins.
They’re not LFD.
Then by this token, you’re admitting its not a requirement…
So its not that they’re infused by the Light that they gain their powers, its just a source of power aligned with the cosmic force of Light. Other options exist therefore its not the only path. Without any concrete info on how the Sunwalkers and Prelates work there is no reason to assume that Paladins are infused by default.
Also Blood Elves are a whole mess of difference. They used to draw the Light from a Naaru, now they gain their power from their faith or the Sunwell.
Even the Prelates suggest that some of them only got their powers from Rezan while others held onto it without him.
What I see is a belief in those powers as is common for the Light and as is also common the Light willingly (or unwillingly) having that power given. Not infusion.
Not a 1:1 thing.
Blood Elves and High Elves are 1:1
Not the case with Void Elves and Blood/High Elves.
You forgot the faithful ones go gold.
and I guess the Void Elf split off. lol
And I don’t think anyone knows exactly what purple eyes mean but those are there too.
Technically you’re a half demon. (This is a joke don’t @ me.)
I absolutely hate this concept.
Void Elf lore for paladin should follow the void. Not take away from it.
Thats fine and not an issue for me.
But Blizzard is a much bigger and better corporation than that. Its ridiculous that this has taken them this long at all or that there are still races that are not even close to on par. They shouldn’t have started if they weren’t going to do it at all.
If they are able to do everyone at once. They should.
Void Elves, Forsaken, Orcs, Mag’har and Worgen could all benefit with this setup leading to void knights. They all have shadowcasters and priests that could easily go those routes.
I also don’t really see why those groups wouldn’t be able to recruit other races as well but those are the ones I would say fit best.
There’s already a fair amount of wiggle room in the paladin class fantasy, what with Zandalari Prelates and tauren Sunwalkers.
I wouldn’t mind seeing class fantasy in general expanded. Monks are, at their core, unarmed brawlers (ok, fine, there’s mistweavers, but still). They don’t necessarily need to be tied tightly to the pandaren stuff. Blademaster Telamon was doing things with fog and mist, and he was… Well, a Lightforged. Finding inner calm? If a void elf with the whispers can do it, a worgen dang well should. And there was never even a kinda good reason goblins shouldn’t be monks.
(Not saying is impossible, though. But far from a reason).
(This is a joke don’t @ me.)