Void Elf Paladin make a lot of sense

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DH and druid for dwarves so I may continue my female dwarf tank empire.

Blood elves are missing shamans and druid for TOTAL CLASS DOMINATION. Zandalari, warlocks and DH. Humans, also druid and shaman. I think there’s a few more races on the same boat…

Which only makes, say, Lightforged more depressing.

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Why does it even matter? Does WoW even care about lore anymore? Taurens are rogues now and mages. So just let everyone be everything at this point. Currently its halfway there. Warr, rogue, priest, mages,and huntards dont have a race restriction so…

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A priest merely dabbles with the Light, and the Void, however, Paladins are infused with the Light, so they will go boom. Unless, Blizzard uses a theme of a dark “Paladin,” although this might conflict with the DK anti Paladin theme.

Methinks all you really want is a Thalassian Paladin on YOUR side, because this is yet another disguised playable High Elf thread.

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Paladins aren’t infused with the light.

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Actually, they are.

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Paladins aren’t infused with the light. There is no fundamental difference between a paladin and priest other than how they use the light in the field. The Silver Hand ceremony is that of a blessing (akin to giving someone a buff), not an infusion.

Of Blood and Honor (Chapter 2):

  1. “Archbishop: In the Light, we gather to empower our brother. In its grace, he will be made anew. In its power, he shall educate the masses. In its strength, he shall combat the shadow. And, in its wisdom, he shall lead his brethren to the eternal rewards of paradise.”
  2. “Archbishop: Clerics of the Northshire, if you deem this man worthy, place your blessings upon him.
    One of the clerics comes with a blessed dark blue embroidered stole in his hands, which he placed reverently around Tirion’s neck. Then, he dipped his thumb in a small vial of sacred oil and anointed Tirion’s forehead.”
  3. “Archbishop: Knights of the Silver Hand, if you deem this man worthy, place your blessings upon him.
    Two of the armored men comes, the first laid the warhammer before Tirion’s feet. The second, Saidan Dathrohan, placed the silver plates upon Tirion’s shoulders.”
  4. “Each of the clerics and knights raised their right hands and pointed toward Tirion, empowered him with the holy light.”

Arthas: Rise of the Lich King (Part 1: Chapter 5):

  1. “In the Light, we gather to empower our brother.”
  2. & 3) are similar to the 2) & 3) from above
  3. “Sweat broke out on Arthas’s brow. What was going wrong? Why wasn’t the Light wrapping itself around him in blessing and benediction?”

The rest of the book makes a point that the light flows through him or he’s channeling it etc. Same as priests.

  1. Chapter 8 … “Maybe if he focused on fighting, on learning how to accept, and channel and direct the Light, he could get the hell over her. Over the girl he himself had broken up with”

Had he been infused, why would he need to learn to accept, channel, and direct the light? Seems like it’d only be directing.

  • This ceremony is exclusive to the Order of the Silver Hand, which not all Paladins are a part of. There is no evidence to support that other Paladin individuals/races/organizations undergo the same process nor is it explicitly mentioned that it’s needed to become a Paladin.
    This is just a fact. Silver Hand was originally just Humans and Dwarves.
    Draenei became Paladins through the Naaru teaching them about the Light.
    High Elves had Paladins through normal worship of the Light, but briefly lost in after most of them renamed to Blood Elves and had to drain it from Naaru. With the Sunwell restored, the Blood Knights returned to embracing the Light like the originally did.
    Sunwalkers get the Light from basic worship of An’she, which is just a different form of the Draenei worshipping it through the Naaru and Humans/Dwarves through the Light itself.

The first Human Paladins were literally just Warrior + Priest
Tides of Darkness (Chapter 5)

  1. “I will establish a new branch of the Church, the paladins. I have already selected the first candidates for this order. Some were knights before but others were priests. I chose these men for both their piety and their martial prowess. They will be trained, not only in war but in prayer and in healing. And each of these valient fighters will possess both martial and spiritual power, particularly in blessing themselves and other with the strength of the Holy Light.”

And just so you’re aware there is zero statement about the ORIGINAL paladins of the Church, mentioned above, having gone through the ceremony mentioned twice earlier. This implying that the ceremony was created afterwards, and that again it isn’t necessary for one to be a Paladin.

Wielding the light is a matter of faith. Paladins don’t have the light within them. It answers their call just like with a Priest. The only Light infused mortals are Lightforged Draenei.

And before you mention the ceremony that supposedly “removed the light infusion from tirion”, that ceremony is literally just a gaslighting ceremony to make the Paladin believe they aren’t worthy and therefore their faith (and thus ability to call to the light) is disrupted. It’s why it didn’t actually succeed as he was able to rekindle his faith later after a self discovery/reflection journey.

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Why is that an issue for people like at all?

Stealth is magic, been shown many times to be that way.

Mages just learn how to use the arcane…

Nothing with either class stops a Tauren. rofl.

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Ok. Feel better? I literally said make everyone everything. I have no idea why you think I would care that Tauren are mage and rogues. I stated that specifically because in the past Blizz devs had defended Tauren not being rogue for forever. There was even lore around it at some point. But now it doesn’t matter.

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Re-read your post dude. You sure sound like you care. lol

“Does WoW even care about lore anymore?” you cry along with so many others, despite the fact that more than half of you never knew the lore in the first place and just lived in your assumed prettied up versions of it, while holding up Tauren rogues and mages as though this is some breach of the great WoW Lore Creed or something.

Its silly. Its just a bunch of people who complain anytime blizzard expands anything or changes anything or does anything. Its the same old bull over and over.

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That was such an interesting read, thank you so much.

I always assumed that Paladins being infused with the light was canon.

So then Void Elf paladins (although weird tbf) are not lore breaking

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Your post read like tauren rogues and mages broke lore, which isn’t true.

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Well, not quite.
That remains to be seen but I personally don’t subscribe to the idea at least right now. I fully support a void themed paladin with new glyphs to allow all paladins to select either a light or void theme.

We have seen that void elves can’t interact with the light. It’s incredibly painful and chaotic. Alleria herself was in incredible pain for just trying to call to the light. I don’t believe a light based Paladin is currently viable for void elves canonically. Definitely through a glyph though.

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Certainly, that is why I think the combination is a bit weird. Unless we get some lore explanation whereby new Void Elf recruits are not infused with the void, but simply regular High Elves who use the void.

That or, as you suggest, class glyphs.

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Wouldn’t being a paladin technically convert a void elf into a normal elf since they would be free from the void and now depend on the light.

You wouldn’t be able to call them void elf anymore

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or they could do a variant similar to naaru, who start out light and at max level go dark. this could be for all paladins, even lightforged, and then just have a small quest chain if they want to stay light at max level, otherwise they go dark. adds some spice

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if i understand the lore correctly, its more like channeling the light than infusion. whereas void is infused. itd be similar to undead priests.

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Gnomes first, they shine torches and throw flashbang grenades

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You’re blaming the player base over Blizzard’s choices to give players something other than what they wanted. They placed their bets on Void elves hoping to maintain distinction and ‘‘flavour’’, did horribly at it, and then had to spend some time ‘‘fixing’’ things because people were obviously dissatisfied that they got something very different to the High elves they were asking for. And don’t tell me it’s the players’ fault that Blizz could not do a better job at passing us Void elves. Maybe if they had better hair colors, skin colours, more classes etc from the beginning, people wouldn’t have been so annoyed.

Yeah, some of the blame. But players didn’t tell Blizzard to give Blood elves to the Horde back in TBC, which let’s be honest it heavily affected numbers as the years went by. Or give powerful racials to Horde. Or keep promoting the Horde in Blizzcons etc.

I get that, but when you look into it in more depth, all times we got passes were indeed good times to get a pass. Got a pass in launch of SL along with BEs? Makes sense as customization was a big selling point and forum posts about it where literally exploding. Got a pass when the Legion races got their passes (NB, LFD and HMT)? Well, Void elves are a Legion race and that was indeed a good time for a pass. Yes there has been some more frequency, but will you again blame the players when Blizz has been focusing for the last few years (as admitted by a lead artist) on Drakthyr customization instead of on our pre-established WoW races like Dark Iron, Kul’Tiran, Zandalari and Vulpera? And Pandaren? And we didn’t get effort into our passes at all either, unlike the huge effort that has been placed onto NB, LFD, HMT and Drakthyr. Blizzard has been ignoring people’s customization requests unfortunately, in order to focus in their next big toy the Drakthyr. They just do whatever they like. Good for them, but then why blame the dedicated player base who after all this time of requests still has the patience and faith in making requests.

I tend to disagree. It’s only natural that as they’ve been living with them all these years and are so far from the Sunwell, they would seek alternative sources of energy and power. And with Alleria and Vereesa being so close, and Alleria and Turalyon being together, I can’t see how the High elves and Void elves would not join forces, and I doubt High elves would not be welcomed in the Void elf ranks just because they don’t wish to embrace the Void. I think what a lot of people fail to grasp is that an army and a race / nation is not formed by the few elite (in this case the elves who embraced the Void and ‘‘survived’’) but all who wish to join their cause. What is the Void elf cause? Well, certainly not to be consumed by the Void. They acknowledged the mistakes they made when they experimented with it and I’m sure they’d be much more cautious in their future approach of it.

Yeah so that thread is for customization. This thread is specifically about the Paladin class. I have supported the customization thread a lot in the past too.

A customer has every right to review and criticize a product, and VEs were lacking in customization both in the eyes of the High elf fans and in those of Void elf fans.

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Lending my voice to the cause. As much as I love my Blood Elf, I really don’t much care for the Horde aesthetic.

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Margrave sindaine answered that question when Calia asked her about the difference between her being raised into undeath versus the way others were. “You perceive a difference where this is none child. Necromancy is necromancy be it done by the Light or as we do it here with the power of death.” Any cosmic force that can manipulate life can create undead. So far we know of two who can.

We don’t know how long sindaine has been dead either but she’s the margrave of house of rituals. She knows almost as much about necromancy as the Primus himself. And she’s old. She’s really old. Margraves don’t come and go often. The only instance we know of it is this first time when KT showed up and sewed discord between the houses. And she is entirely unsurprised by calia’s existence to the extent she immediately answers her question like “huh? It’s the same.”