Void Elf-High Elf Customization Thread

[Grabbag-barthilas]

If you use the full, thick or tufts beards sideburns are disabled for you.

[Naughtymoon-proudmoore (Naughtymoon)]

@Somand-tichondrius

I do play blood elves. I’m going to main this one in 9.1.

What makes you think your opinion on thematics is more valid than mine?

I didn’t say that they are, I just don’t agree that if you aren’t actually playing a Blood Elf that you should have access to the same options, I’m sorry but I will never agree with you on that one.

[Lancelot-lightnings-blade (Lancelot)]

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

Almost every reply you send to me on this topic talks about how you don’t think this should be restricted or that should be restricted, that’s where I get it.

Almost every reply I’ve made in this regard is in the case of precedent.

I’m not arguing that because I want natural options, I’m arguing it because I worry that if certain precedents are set, it gives them leeway to take things in a direction I feel is bad.

Like imagine if they added pink hair to Blood Elves (is that something you want? if not, replace that with something you want) but Warlocks don’t get access because it “doesn’t fit the class” or the eye options you want to use can’t pair with this hypothetical new option because “it doesn’t make lore sense” for it.

It’s not a direction I think is good for the game.

[Lancelot-lightnings-blade (Lancelot)]

Isn’t that because they have built-in sideburns themselves though? Or am I mistaken?

[Somand-tichondrius]

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

I didn’t say that they are

You post like they are.

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

I just don’t agree that if you aren’t actually playing a Blood Elf that you should have access to the same options

You constantly imply that the standard elf visual isn’t valid for void elves, despite the character who spawned void elves having them, just because it makes them look like blood elves.

I get that you don’t want the visuals shared, but you can stop trying to claim they aren’t “true void elf options”. It’s just as bad as a lot of helfer arguments.

[Naughtymoon-proudmoore (Naughtymoon)]

@Lancelot-lightnings-blade

Almost every reply I’ve made in this regard is in the case of precedent.

I’m not arguing that because I want natural options, I’m arguing it because I worry that if certain precedents are set, it gives them leeway to take things in a direction I feel is bad.

Like imagine if they added pink hair to Blood Elves (is that something you want? if not, replace that with something you want) but Warlocks don’t get access because it “doesn’t fit the class” or the eye options you want to use can’t pair with this hypothetical new option because “it doesn’t make lore sense” for it.

It’s not a direction I think is good for the game.

The difference is one race should be 100% like another when it’s only on one side, Alliance is no more special than Horde and doesn’t deserve to be treated as such. Plus we don’t get to take anything 100% from Alliance so why should you? Furthermore, I can accept whether I get say pink hair or not, I’m never going to be spamming threads about how or why I want something.

[Grabbag-barthilas]

They do have short sideburns. Although it’s odd because the orc stuff just lets you chuck anything with anything even if it clips to all hell.

[Somand-proudmoore]

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

Plus we don’t get to take anything 100% from Alliance so why should you?

So ask for it.

Also, there hasn’t been a race that looks just like an Alliance race shoved down the Horde’s throat for the entire life of the game.

[Naughtymoon-proudmoore (Naughtymoon)]

@Somand-tichondrius

You post like they are.

I post how I post, you don’t like it we don’t have to reply to one another anymore. I’ve told others that before and if that’s how you want to go we can go that route.

@Somand-tichondrius

You constantly imply that the standard elf visual isn’t valid for void elves, despite the character who spawned void elves having them, just because it makes them look like blood elves.

I get that you don’t want the visuals shared, but you can stop trying to claim they aren’t “true void elf options”. It’s just as bad as a lot of helfer arguments.

Because Void Elves aren’t Blood Elves, I have felt that way from the start even when I was somewhat neutral on the topic I felt it was wrong direction and I still feel we shouldn’t be shafted into sharing 100% of our race with yours when we don’t get the same thing.

@Somand-proudmoore

So ask for it.

Also, there hasn’t been a race that looks just like an Alliance race shoved down the Horde’s throat for the entire life of the game.

The difference is if I want to play Alliance races I play Alliance, why shouldn’t you play Horde if you want a Horde race?

[Lancelot-lightnings-blade (Lancelot)]

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

Plus we don’t get to take anything 100% from Alliance so why should you?

You don’t think I’m an Alliance diehard because I post on a Human do you? I play both sides, though I prefer Horde in most situations.

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

I’m never going to be spamming threads about how or why I want something.

I hope this wasn’t directed specifically at me, as I’ve never created a topic on the WoW forums in general, let alone about wanting something.

If that was directed at me, I have no idea what you’re on about.

[Somand-proudmoore]

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

The difference is if I want to play Alliance races I play Alliance, why shouldn’t you play Horde if you want a Horde race?

Ask Blizzard. They’re the ones that shoved it down my throat for years, then gave me most of it in SL.

[Naughtymoon-proudmoore (Naughtymoon)]

@Lancelot-lightnings-blade

I hope this wasn’t directed specifically at me, as I’ve never created a topic on the WoW forums in general, let alone about wanting something.

If that was directed at me, I have no idea what you’re on about.

It wasn’t, it was an example of that although I want certain things I’m not going to go crazy if I don’t get them, it’s like my feelings about Nightborne do I think they need better model yes, do I want more customization yes, if I don’t ever get either will I still play them yes.

@Somand-proudmoore

Ask Blizzard. They’re the ones that shoved it down my throat for years, then gave me most of it in SL.

Because you and a lot of others kept asking for it, that’s what makes all the difference, Ion tried to throw Alliance a bone by giving you an elf swap and people weren’t still satisfied, even now you aren’t, not really.

[Grabbag-barthilas]

@Somand-proudmoore

Also, there hasn’t been a race that looks just like an Alliance race shoved down the Horde’s throat for the entire life of the game.

Blizzard making lots of Alliance npcs of a Horde race is not generally something that people opposed to making one of our core races neutral were fine with either.

Blizzard giving FAR more of the Horde’s flavour to the Alliance than vice versa and then using that flavour as an excuse to extract MORE of it is completely ridiculous.

[Somand-proudmoore]

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

Because you and a lot of others kept asking for it, that’s what makes all the difference, Ion tried to throw Alliance a bone by giving you an elf swap and people weren’t still satisfied, even now you aren’t, not really.

I’m not satisfied because I want tattoos that your race doesn’t own?

I’ve said numerous times it wouldn’t break my heart if I never get the hair.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

That’s why I think updating Alleria makes sense, the Void has been in game for a while now, and it can logically be effecting her, even if it’s just giving her permanent void form hair.

[Naughtymoon-proudmoore (Naughtymoon)]

@Somand-proudmoore

I’m not satisfied because I want tattoos that your race doesn’t own?

I’ve said numerous times it wouldn’t break my heart if I never get the hair.

Farstrider tattoos are a High Elven thing which are what Blood Elves are so technically it is ours. I usually won’t jump into that part of this topic because I don’t care about tattoo options but that’s ours as well not yours.

[Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord]

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

She doesnt? So Alleria the first VE looks like Alleria the VE? Or Alleria the HE they call a VE?

She looks exactly as blizzard designed her.

Her model isn’t another race or not look like her.

It’s not about her representing the void elves.

The ones we play were designed to look different.

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

Can we get a side by side of Tyrande before and after NW?

I got no issues with her clothes or armor being made to match the void elves.

Honestly I personally don’t care too much if she becomes a blueberry.

Though Somand pointed out that it means any void elf is slowly succumbing more to the void destined to effectively become a monster over time which I don’t like…

We’re supposed to have control.

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

So you would be more of an advocate of killing Alleria off then?

She’s my favorite character from WCII.

I’d rather she just remain a representative of the void elves to SW and Umbric take the lead in action situations over all. Which in bfa he mostly did.

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

So you would argue they are interested in clarity? Wasn’t the quote about if you want a blue eyed blonde haired elf the horde is waiting… that never explicitly said no but it sure implied a message? But you said they don’t do that or aren’t interested?

Blizzard and especially ion say what they think will get them past the question.

They’re not concerned beyond that about sending any messages imo.

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

I liked her better before same with Jaina but Blizzard doesn’t care what I think so don’t mind me.

I like the newer Jaina, but the older Tyrande…

While I’m at it I prefer Sylvanas without the Jailors touch.

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

Allerias affiliation with the Void should always be a question of how it continues to effect her.

She’s not like us though.

Her affiliation to the void isn’t the same as any other void elf, so what good does it do?

@Somand-proudmoore

But I don’t want my character saddled with a guarantee of future blue skin. That takes enjoyment away from what I have.

I agree…

They’ve already added the skins, to say we’d just lose them anyways… Why did they bother then?

It’s too late for this to make sense.

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again and again, Void Elves are void based so they should have to show to some degree that they are void infused,

We regularly turn blue to be fair.

@Izzabelle-draka

How about if it just effects her hair? She voids out and when she switches back everything but her hair returns to normal. Her hair however remains that unnatural glowing white color.

Now that would be entirely reasonable I think.

Still shows more void without dooming us all.

Not only that how they make that occur could work in many ways.

@Lannisterian-tichondrius

but I like the perma void form too.

I don’t like perma void form myself.

Blueberry skintone sure but void form all the time looks tacky to me.

[Somand-proudmoore]

@Naughtymoon-proudmoore

I usually won’t jump into that part of this topic because I don’t care about tattoo options but that’s ours as well not yours.

Technically it’s nobody’s.

It only exists on one NPC as a reference to her appearance in an older game, nothing more.

[Lannisterian-tichondrius]

@Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord

She looks exactly as blizzard designed her.

Her model isn’t another race or not look like her.

It’s not about her representing the void elves.

The ones we play were designed to look different.

Yet it’s a fan request to look like her, and another fan request to keep visual distinction, a logical route is having the story be the means for the path of least resistance to satisfy both ends in some degree and since the side that objects to Alleria being altered this way more arguably just got options that came at the expense of Horde aesthetics I think that story is okay to be told.

@Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord

They’re not concerned beyond that about sending any messages imo.

VEs being introduced as the Thalassian model on the alliance you don’t think sends the message they value visual distinction to some degree without them explicitly saying so?

[Naughtymoon-proudmoore (Naughtymoon)]

@Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord

I like the newer Jaina, but the older Tyrande…

While I’m at it I prefer Sylvanas without the Jailors touch.

Lol, I like the before of them all specifically like older ones minus Jaina and like I said yesterday I liked her more after the Theramore explosion.

@Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord

I don’t like perma void form myself.

Blueberry skintone sure but void form all the time looks tacky to me.

I actually want this option, like full time on Void Elves like the picture Mag posted yesterday. Lol.

@Somand-proudmoore

Technically it’s nobody’s.

It only exists on one NPC as a reference to her former appearance, nothing more.

But the basis for you wanting normal options comes from NPC’s so why can I not say that it’s ours given in lore we do it not you, I mean I have supported Void Elves getting a purple version but it’s not really something they should have like have.