Void Elves are as much of a High Elf as my Blood Elf is. 
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Iâve already done so, you are just choosing to be ignorant because you know I am correct.
Blood Elves are objectively Modern High Elves.
When your counter argument amounts to âAnd?â it means youâre admitting to me being correct objectively.
Thanks for confirming what everyone else here who knows the lore knows. Iâm glad you finally understand. 
I agree add void elf and high elf evokers
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Iâll make it easy for you. Literally childâs play. Iâll link every message youâve posted so far, you just have to quote the part where you proved it, alright? letâs go!
Alright, to the next topic.
prove it.
I shouldâve only quoted the final part. About how high elves are a minority.
Itâs relevant to notice how much of the strategies in the book ââthe art of being rightââ by schopenhauer you use. It is about making everyone believe you have the truth in the pam of your hands, when really youâre just being demagogue.
Insisting in a simple quoting mistake on a virtual forum somehow makes it so you are right. Okay then.
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Considering you quoted all of my messages and all of them are objective facts, you proved me correct in saying that Iâve already done so. So thank you for admitting that.
Already have as your mass quoting of me has proven above.
Thatâs because the ones you claim to be âtrue High Elvesâ are indeed a super minority stuck in the past where as the true Modern High Elves aka Blood Elves hold the majority of the Race and itâs culture.
This was such a long winded way of you admitting to me being objectively correct. I recommend keeping your words short and sweet considering you admitted to all of us that you have no argument at all when I gave you the objective truth.
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circulum in probando
point me where
yes!
prove me they are high elves!
long text scares you?
WE ARE NO LONGER HIGH ELVES [âŠ] WE ARE NOW SINâDOREI
rebut this.
Here is the interview, where high elf options are mentioned specifically in relation to both void elves and blood elves.
According to a dev interview Ion gave several months ago, Blood Elves were originally unintended to have blue eyes in Shadowlands, but later on that decision was reversed following team discussions. If the art department was involved, what was the reasoning that led to blue eyes being added for Void Elves and Blood Elves?
This is another place where there was a race, High Elves, in the game which hadnât really been represented on player characters. Blood Elves were the closest, but had felt green eyes. It was an opportunity where we had a number of elven races, and we could tie it back to their roots, letting players choose where they want to align and what fantasy to play out. We did have a lot of discussion about it, ultimately we might do more in the future, but for now weâre providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available.
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Makes sense to me
I mean you seem to enjoy going in circles when youâre losing. Sounds a âyouâ issue.
All the quotes you mass quoted.
Iâve already done so. I canât help you if you choose to be ignorant and pretend that I didnât.
âI am no longer human!.. Actually I still am!â
Blood Elves are still High Elves, declaring themselves a name change does not change that from a biological stand point.
Where?
No
No you havenât
Iâd add that it is the art director discussing art assets and the validity of choice in that regard for your own background.
It seems to cement the idea Wayfarers are becoming Void Elves (studying the void/ being infused w it etc) which is important to HE fans who wanted that background.
It doesnât change BEs as being actual continuation of the High Elf legacy and story though, but it also suggests High Elves returning to Quelthalas, though adopting the BE name that doesnât matter so much as BEs are still the playable High Elf race w the kingdom, lore, sunwell, capital city etc.
But it adds lore / validity to players choices making them impactful RP tools. But the statement applied as much to BEs background (HEs returning) as it did to VEs backgrounds (Wayfarers in the rift becoming VEs)
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Again you are being severely subjective and misinformed if you think High Elves isnât what the name of the species that they are.
Iâm a American Human different from Humans from other countries but we are all Humans regardless.
Blood Elves are High Elves. Different from Void Elves but High Elves all the same.
And again considering Blood Elves hold the majority of the High Elven culture and capital city, this makes them the true Modern High Elves instead of those 5 High Elves stuck in the past huddled under a canal in Stormwind.
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So according to you a word cannot have more than one meaning, or evolve in meaning over time?
I never claimed blood elves are a different species from high elves
turks are not the same as 14th century ottomans. They might be the same ethnicity, political and cultural succesors. still not ottomans.
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It would probably be the best to not provide this thread with free bumps.
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You are being silly now. High Elves are the species name and that has never changed once.
Nah, youâre just claiming they arenât true High Elves because red bad, blue good which again is subjective of you.
Blood Elves are still High Elves tho as they continued the culture and race updating it into Modern times. So this comparison actually confirms what I say to be correct. I really appreciate you proving me right.
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Honestly is so tiresome to see the same arguments being rehashed over and over again. âWho are the real High Elves?â All of them, neither. They are splinter groups of a once unified people. One, the larger calls themselves Blood Elves, others Void Elves, and others didnât change the name.
And while I do think that itâs pedantic that we have to keep rehashing this conversation when it would just be easier to refer to High Elves as the only group that STILL uses that name, we canât deny that people on both sides of the issue believe that holding the name makes them the âtrueâ High Elves.
As long as that remains an underlying motivation of the discourse itself, the whole conversation remains pointless. Because they are all are.
So it really would be easier to simply refer to refer to the alliance High Elves they want to see expanded as, you know, Alliance High Elves. Thatâs what you mean when you say âHigh Elfâ, the only way to specify that youâre talking about the High Elves on the alliance, is to say that, and that way we are all on the same page youâre not referring to High Elves as a race, but a political group that exists on the alliance.
I still think it would all just be better if Alliance High Elves changed their name to something else at this point, and the only âHigh Elvesâ remaining that self define as such are the neutral ones.
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The tricky thing here is, there isnât a large unified group of high elves that are Alliance members. There are a few individuals like Elsharin and Vyrin living in Alliance lands, but they really have no connection to each other.
The biggest group of high elves seem to be the Silver Covenant, whom obviously have love for the Alliance and none for the Horde. But they arenât actually officially members of the Alliance proper as far as we can tell, because theyâre citizens of the Kingdom of Dalaran. I suppose it would be simple enough for them to call themselves Silver Elves or some such, but it almost seems pointless at this point.
The next largest would probably be the elves living in Quelâdanil Lodge, but while they were seeking relations with the Alliance at some point, I donât know if they were ever introduced as official members. And they seem to have been forgotten since Cata. It is easy enough however, even now, to refer to them as Highvale elves. I believe theyâre even referred to as that in game in one set of quest text.
All of this makes even using âAlliance high elvesâ prove to be a tricky feat, since then people will point out that the largest groups of high elves arenât technically members of the Alliance. And despite how much those groups lean towards the Alliance and have even served under them in some expansions (such as Wrath in the case of the SC), itâs still technically true that they arenât members.
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I think youâre somewhat missing my point so Iâll try to clarify:
Iâm not talking about specific organizations or factions of High Elves, weâre talking about alliance high elves, which do exist, and we keep seeing every expansion as members of the alliance that we see through questing and in the world. Those are the Alliance High Elves people wanna play on the alliance. You donât have to justify the existence of something that already exists.
If all the High Elves currently on the alliance without an organization (be it Highvale or Silver Covenant) decided to change their name to anything else, we wouldnât be calling them âAlliance High Elvesâ, just whatever that name was.
Itâs not an issue what organizations of High Elves currently exist on the alliance, but the simple fact of the individual high elves that do very much exist on the alliance.
I do have to add, I disagree on the assessment of the SC. Itâs clearly an alliance group; the whole point of their existence is to be the alliance aligned citizenry of Dalaran, so to dismiss the fact they are an alliance group is baffling to me.
Vereesa, as Ranger General of the Silver Covenant, has been present as an alliance leader in numerous occassions, she refered to Varian as âher kingâ. Regardless of Dalaran and the Kirin Torâs current alignment, the SC has always been portrayed as loyal to the alliance politically, even if their their link to the Kirin Tor and Dalaran might prevent them from more open action.
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I was in no way trying to claim âthe Silver Covenant is neutralâ. Thatâs merely a fallacy used to push a narrative.
The Silver Covenant was formed to keep the Horde out of the Kirin Tor, and joined up with the Alliance Vanguard the first chance they got.
All I was saying is that they arenât technically citizens, and some people will hyper focus on that point. I find it pointless, since itâs obvious they fight alongside the Alliance every chance they get. But people will still bring it up nonetheless, and the assertion that they arenât Alliance citizens still remains technically true, even if itâs largely irrelevant to the discussion.
We donât even know Dalaranâs allignment. Itâs always been oddly up in the air. As of Vanilla Dalaran was still very much so a part of the Alliance, being rebuilt beneath the bubble. Friendly to Alliance players, hostile to Horde, and Horde players had quests to kill members of the Kirin Tor.
Wrath certainly made it seem like they withdrew from the Alliance, but as far as Iâve seen, nothing ever officially stated that was the case. Even more curiously, in the novel, âWolfheart,â theyâd been invited to the Alliance summit in Teldrassil. Only Alliance member-nations had been invited (with the exception of the Gilneans who were seeking to renew their membership). It wasnât as if Kul Tiras had been extended an invite. Itâs odd that Dalaran wouldâve been invited if it WASNâT either trying to rejoin (assuming it ever left), or was already a member.
The answer to this stopped mattering as of MoP when Jaina brought Dalaran fully into the Alliance after the Sunreavers betrayed the Kirin Tor. The only reason people question it now is because Blizzard re-used Dalaran for Legion, but at no point had there ever been a vote for Dalaran to leave the Alliance, only on whether or not to grant the Horde admission once more.
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